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    Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 13:46
Hawass has been rewriting history as he sees fit in all aspects of egyptology. Not just with blacks but with everything. Since he took over there has been little to show in the realm of archaeology in Egypt. Only himself and his men are allowed to excavate anything of interest and even those locations which we know are there he denies exist. If any speak up they are derided,belittled and ostracised. Hawass is the destroyer of Egypt not the saviour, his tactics remind me of the Taliban. Only his view is the right view all else is lies this is not right. Before you defend a liar you should look into his history. I would recommed starting at Dr Bakr and working up till the present time.
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I’d like to know why he (Hawass), doesn’t address the other issue’s concerning race of the Egyptians. He does come off as racist at times. And why did he close the results to the DNA testing of certain mummys?

 

I am African America, Black, Negroid whatever, and I don’t need Egypt to feel proud of myself or any nonsense like that. In fact, the fact that Blacks have survived and developed cultures again, and again even in times of slavery, created some of the most influential music in the Americas , Jamaica, Brazil,  that has effected people world wide,  contributions to science, history, society, etc. I don’t need Egypt to feel proud. There are also other “African, negroid” cultures for me to be proud of.

 

Anyway, why do people associate skin color only when it comes to the Egyptians? As if one can’t be lighter colored, and Negroid, or you have to have big lips, and a wide nose to be Negroid? And didn’t they marry Nubians wives?

 

Also the current people living there are not the ancient Egyptians, and the ancient culture that lived there first. Egypt didn’t just up and come about out of no where, not to mention that they themselves claim they came from upper Egypt.

 

Another thing is that when the Nubians came saved, and ruled Egypt, there was no major opposition to them coming south. They were seen as apart of Egypt. The Nubians where major competitors with Egypt , their army was feared, and equally respected by the Egyptians.

 

Also has anyone here heard of these tribes? People have started looking more into these African tribes because of their sculptures, and religions. The Dogon Tribe, Nok , and Ife. It clearly shows these are not primitive people. Also the written language of the Dogan they say are remarkably similar to the Egyptians. It’s also been said the language of the Egyptians is of Sub Sarahan Origin, which wouldn’t be a shocker since they did say they came from the North anyway.

 

Also the term “sub Saharan” seems to warrant less intelligent or civilized people. Just because a culture isn’t hell bent on conquest, war, and expansion, doesn’t mean they are any less civilized, and structured than anyone else. The Dogon trib is a good example of this.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_vKxe37NU

 

This vid shows many of the “black , negroid” civilizations that get overlooked by people for obvious racist reasons.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZMApcqVTk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jlPNVnKWA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i2dB2mIXhk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKlX0Aw9eNY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVT--v-fAKw&feature=channel_page

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UynuvTRRpfY

 

 

The list goes on. But “African Americans” don’t need Egypt to feel proud. I’m tired of white people or any people saying that about us.



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First, do you know people here is not necesarily "white", or European anglosaxons?

Second, the reason why we have had some discussion about the race of Egypt is not because people here is particularly interested in the topic. What has happened is that quite often guys who has just inscribed on the group starts threads like "the egyptians were black" or something like that. Most of them have some beliefs that are easily recognized as popular afrocentrism, and almost all of them are Black Americans. In that case they receive what they deserve: knowledge.
 
With respect to African cultures, there is a thread here where you can expose your knowledge. Unfortunately, most of the time nobody post there. If interested, it is there for you to illustrate the rest of us about the cultures of subsaharan Africa.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Apr-2009 at 15:49
Originally posted by dieheart

I am African America, Black, Negroid whatever, and I don’t need Egypt to feel proud of myself or any nonsense like that. In fact, the fact that Blacks have survived and developed cultures again, and again even in times of slavery, created some of the most influential music in the Americas , Jamaica, Brazil,  that has effected people world wide,  contributions to science, history, society, etc. I don’t need Egypt to feel proud. There are also other “African, negroid” cultures for me to be proud of.


This is the right attitude. I keep telling Black supremacist revisionists that appropriating the achievements of other peoples is first and foremost an insult to their own ancestors, as it's implying their achievements aren't sufficient to be proud of.

In the future I'd like to see more threads about actual Sub-Saharan civilizations such as the Dogon, Nok and Ife and their achievements, instead of threads like "Egyptians were Black".
Hwæt! wē Gār-Dena in geār-dagum,
þeod-cyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dieheart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Apr-2009 at 21:49
I'd like to see Hawass address those issues's I presented better than what he has been doing. Since aparently he is the Over Lord of all that is in Egypt.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cushite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2009 at 20:10
It's amazing that in the year 2009 Europeans and European Americans still lie about ancient African history. That pretty sad stuff. Fake illustrations ever in this day and age is really immature.
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The Egyptians are apparently very sensitive about not being considered Black. Remember their outrage a few years ago when Lou Gosset Jr was chosen to play Anwar Sadat? But both men have basicly the same skin color.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pinguin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jun-2009 at 15:02
Originally posted by Herr Weh

The Egyptians are apparently very sensitive about not being considered Black. Remember their outrage a few years ago when Lou Gosset Jr was chosen to play Anwar Sadat? But both men have basicly the same skin color.
 
They weren't from the same race. That was pretty obvious, no matter they both could have similar color skins.
That actor was so much Egyptian as David Carradine was Chinese LOL


Edited by pinguin - 06-Jun-2009 at 15:02
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Nubian's aren't black. Unless you can show me evidence of a migration from West Africa at some point, they don't share any physical characteristics with West Africans so I don't see on what basis you are calling them black.
Are you suggesting that just because there skin colour is darker than a European they are black? Or that just because they are from the African continent they are black? If you are that is incredibly uneducated. If a group of Tamils came and settled on Africa somewhere do they become black?

Modern Nubians are called Arabs. Are Arabs black? If Nubians are black, and as we know Nubians are Arabs are Lebanese black? And if Lebanese are black then, based on skin colour, we can conclude that the English are black too. I mean, lets just invent some random labels and apply them to everyone while we're at it.

'Blacks' as used in modern language refer to west africans or people descendent from west africans, like Americans or West Indians. Nubians are not, and never have been related to west africans. It doesn't matter a rat's ass what their skin colour is.
 
Nubians are for sure not Arabs. Many of them today may talk arab language but many of them has also preserved their old Nubian tounge. And historically they don´t descend from the Arabic peninsula.
 
Black seems to be used in different ways in different places so one cannot say that it have to mean just West African peoples.
 
Here is a picture of a Nubian woman, if you want to call her black, brown or white, it´s up to you:
 
 
 
 
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All of this "flaming" over Race is rather distasteful and has long spilled into the the realm of the unhistorical. Fussing over the intensity of melanin is a bit foolish and akin to the travesties pulled by those 19th century anthropologists all agog over cranial measurements. And just as the crania can lie so too "distinctive" facial features, and many of the postings on this thread simply illustrate not the ambiance of the Ancient World but the persistence today of much of 19th century pseudo-science and delusions of superiority.
 
As Carcharodon aptly observed these labels are not only arbitrary but meaningless as but a simple journey through the Indian sub-continent would amply underscore.
 
By the way, the "colors" chosen in ancient art reflect symbolism and not true skin tones since in the Nile Valley convention set the color "terra-cota red" as the symbol of an Egyptian. Does such make them Amerindians? 
 
PS: As for Mr. Hawass, he is simply reacting a bit too erroneously to the meanderings of others. Such does not justify his preoccupation with this false topic but it does explain it.
Now as to the cosmopolitan world of 18th dynasty Egypt, perhaps the fascination of "Amenophis" III for a certain Tiy might illumine this particular contretemps.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote es_bih Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jun-2009 at 23:36
Originally posted by Herr Weh

The Egyptians are apparently very sensitive about not being considered Black. Remember their outrage a few years ago when Lou Gosset Jr was chosen to play Anwar Sadat? But both men have basicly the same skin color.


Why?

Just because 2 people have a similar skin tone it means that both are "Sub-Saharan" Africans?

You do realize that there are millions of people in Southern India that have the same skin tone?

This is getting very childish indeed.



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