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    Posted: 24-Jan-2009 at 22:55
Akhenaten Who was married to Nefertiti, His mother was from Nubia/Sudan even given the possiblity that egyptians were cinnamon colored, that would make Akhenaten black...seeing as he came from a blue-black woman.  If a black man was to play him in a movie, it would spark international outrage even if it is reality. 
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Zahi Hawass is a known racist and his organization of Scholars is one of the key groups that supported the building of Lake Nuba (a man-made lake stretching from Egypt to Sudan that now HIDES from existence several thousand Nubian pyramids--they're underwater!--and caused the resettlement and "death" of several hundred thousand Nubians from the Nuba Mountains)...let us not forget that his (and the Egyptian council's) main objection was the idea that Nefertiti was Black (which she most definitely was).

And now that over 1,000 Pyramids of Sudan (Sudan having more pyramids than Egypt does) are 200 feet underwater...archeologists cannot dig and discover the proof that the Egyptians were an out-growth of Black Nubian and Cushitic civilizations...which existed BEFORE Egypt.

It's a terrible shame that the original Egyptian people (the Afrangi and other Nilotic Blacks) were conquered by Arab Muslim tribes and wiped out by Cleopatra's "intermarriage law" (forbidding Egyptians to marry Egyptian)...and we should never forget that today's modern day Egyptian society is one so fanatical over ISLAM that they loathe the "Pagan" Blacks who ruled in ancient times...this is a terrible issue for that country

Hawaas's claims (for why he believed the Nefertiti mummy was a "male") were proven by a colleague to be outlandish and untrue almost as soon as he made them...the media chose not to cover that part.

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Originally posted by Melissa

Zahi Hawass is a known racist and his organization of Scholars is one of the key groups that supported the building of Lake Nuba (a man-made lake stretching from Egypt to Sudan that now HIDES from existence several thousand Nubian pyramids--they're underwater!--and caused the resettlement and "death" of several hundred thousand Nubians from the Nuba Mountains)...let us not forget that his (and the Egyptian council's) main objection was the idea that Nefertiti was Black (which she most definitely was). And now that over 1,000 Pyramids of Sudan (Sudan having more pyramids than Egypt does) are 200 feet underwater

Zahi Hawass had a reservoir created (in another country) just to hide the Nubian pyramids? LOL

I'm sure he brought his considerable international influence as a 15 year old to bear on the decision, when Lake Nuba was flooded in the early 60s.



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Originally posted by edgewaters

Originally posted by Melissa

Zahi Hawass is a known racist and his organization of Scholars is one of the key groups that supported the building of Lake Nuba (a man-made lake stretching from Egypt to Sudan that now HIDES from existence several thousand Nubian pyramids--they're underwater!--and caused the resettlement and "death" of several hundred thousand Nubians from the Nuba Mountains)...let us not forget that his (and the Egyptian council's) main objection was the idea that Nefertiti was Black (which she most definitely was). And now that over 1,000 Pyramids of Sudan (Sudan having more pyramids than Egypt does) are 200 feet underwater

Zahi Hawass had a reservoir created (in another country) just to hide the Nubian pyramids? LOL

I'm sure he brought his considerable international influence as a 15 year old to bear on the decision, when Lake Nuba was flooded in the early 60s.




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And now that over 1,000 Pyramids of Sudan (Sudan having more pyramids than Egypt does) are 200 feet underwater...archeologists cannot dig and discover the proof that the Egyptians were an out-growth of Black Nubian and Cushitic civilizations...which existed BEFORE Egypt.
Nubian's aren't black.
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I'll admit "The man made lake" thing i read from an egyptian-american author who's very bitter about that country, because she witnessed babies being drowned in the nile river for being "to dark"

so it may be a conspiracy theory.

BUT on a diferent note, Zahi reputation has taken a serious beating and his "opinons" dont hold much water with me.

the other poster is just to ignorant for me to even reply to.
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Zahi Hawass hates black people so much that he forced one to attend his son's wedding, and put pictures of it up on the Internet:

http://guardians.net/hawass/news/wedding_of_dr_hawass_son.htm

They were probably reciting Vogon poetry for the vows and speeches.

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the other poster is just to ignorant for me to even reply to.

I'll assume that's directed at me.
Nubian's aren't black. Unless you can show me evidence of a migration from West Africa at some point, they don't share any physical characteristics with West Africans so I don't see on what basis you are calling them black.
Are you suggesting that just because there skin colour is darker than a European they are black? Or that just because they are from the African continent they are black? If you are that is incredibly uneducated. If a group of Tamils came and settled on Africa somewhere do they become black?

Modern Nubians are called Arabs. Are Arabs black? If Nubians are black, and as we know Nubians are Arabs are Lebanese black? And if Lebanese are black then, based on skin colour, we can conclude that the English are black too. I mean, lets just invent some random labels and apply them to everyone while we're at it.

'Blacks' as used in modern language refer to west africans or people descendent from west africans, like Americans or West Indians. Nubians are not, and never have been related to west africans. It doesn't matter a rat's ass what their skin colour is.
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What the heck you call that guy black?
He looks like the ancient egyptians protrayed themselves to me,
butterscotch-colored, wide lips, hook nose and all.
looks like he has green eyes as well.
Could he be an egyptian? or in your eyes is he kushaf?


I thought no way in hell 'those people' could be classified as "black"

I'm sure his mother is proud her grandson had returned home with a lovely, blond French wife-- instead of with a dark brown, big-lipped nappyheaded girl from north egypt.

though your right... how 'nice' of him to socialize with the "abeed"



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Well, maybe. I don't put alot of stock in craniology etc, and I don't really care or pay much attention to the finer points of race science and classification, because it's all malarkey if you ask me. So I suppose I'm not a very good judge, as to who is supposed to belong to which group.

In any case, Hawass has come under fire for a long time now, because he took a no-nonsense approach to ufologists, racial identity politics, etc and made alot of (dismissable) critics among those groups doing so. Although taking that stand made the ufologists and other disreputable fringe groups upset and hysterical, it also earned him alot of respect from academics.



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I haven't a clue what your trying to say...

they don't share any physical characteristics with West Africans

I disagree, Edgewater gets the fainest shade of brown and goes "O Hi blackman"
not because of skin color but because of the physical characteristics are simliar.

Tamils don't remsemble africans in the slightest

If a group of Tamils came and settled on Africa somewhere do they become black?

Are you saying egyptians of old originated outside of africa?

that they have nothing in common genetically with black africans
(despite the large infusion of blood from sudan, where they got their TOP queens from)

But a white arab living in north africa is perfectly normal? you dont think there was a population there before.....like if Paris was a black nation surrround by a sea of white ones i'd assmue there was a population there before.

If Nilotics and like a scot has nothing to do with a swede maybe? then i concur.

Modern Nubians are called Arabs.

Correction..."Modern Nubians" (you mean the people living in egypt)
call themselves arabs,  because they are heavily mixed with arabs and turkish, even though their still dark, they look nothing like their blue-black ancestors.
The Nuba people still alive in sudan  ..uh you know where the pyramids are?

They two are being "eradicated" by people who call themselves "arabs"

'White' has been used in modern language refer to the Romans or people descendent from romans, like italians. Germans are not, and never have been related to the Romans. It doesn't matter a rat's ass what their skin colour is.

Therefor don't ever call a german 'white"

Logic


If your gonna talk an inherit amount of bullshit, then i have the right to do the same
atleast what im saying resembles the truth.

How come this image, which was done in white IVORY hundred years after her death
DESPITE the fact that it looks NOTHING like she's protrayed on ALL other tomb wall images is paraded around...


But this image of  King Tut's grandmother is disallowed?...even on wikpedia

(oh wait, I think i know the answer)






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The problem is you think Africa = Black. The Berber tribes have lived there for a long time, same with the Egyptians. Why do they have to be "black" automatically, or did the Berbers make some grand  "black" kingdom magically disappear into thin air. No one is actually doubting that Egypt was a center where different ethnic populations met within the same single state framework, what most people are doubting is the afrocentric notion that they were automatically black and aware of their "blackness" as it suits the political and ideological notions of today.



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No one is actually doubting that Egypt was a center where different ethnic populations met within the same single state framework, what most people are doubting is the afrocentric notion that they were automatically black and aware of their "blackness" as it suits the political and ideological notions of today.
 
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"Your problem is you think Europe = white"

I am well aware Egypt was a melting pot.

By the way Akolouthos i am not a black american who "talks talks talks" about africa and has only white kids because of self esteem issues. only my grandma is black.


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Well see if I don't think that Africa = Black then I wouldn't think any other ridiculous label would mean any other ridiculous thing :)

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By the way Akolouthos i am not a black american who "talks talks talks" about africa and has only white kids because of self esteem issues. only my grandma is black.
 
I wasn't saying you were, dear, and I do apologize if it came across that way. While I was voicing serious criticism in another thread, here I was simply taking an open opportunity to be droll. If you took offense, I am sorry; it was simply too good an opportunity for satire to pass up. That said, perhaps I should have displayed a bit more maturity and self-restraint, especially if I wasn't prepared to engage in a running dialogue about the topic. I didn't mean to imply any judgement upon your motives, upbringing, etc. Indeed, I was simply trying to get a laugh. You have my apologies, once again, dear. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.
 
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I didn't mean for this to become a long-winded fight about race.
I just wanted to point out Akhenaten and Tut have black lineage
or be what you'd call black men today.



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Egyptian Hieroglythics in Karnak: "The Blacker she is, the more woman she is. Too much woman blocks the sun."
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Originally posted by Melissa

I'll admit "The man made lake" thing i read from an egyptian-american author who's very bitter about that country, because she witnessed babies being drowned in the nile river for being "to dark" so it may be a conspiracy theory.


It wasn't a conspiracy theory (at least the man-made lake part).  I don't know about people drowning, but Lake Nasser was created in southern Egypt as a result of the construction of the Aswan High Dam.  The lake extends into northern Sudan, where it is called Lake Nubia.  Tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of Nubians in Egypt were displaced and forced to relocate.  It was highly controversial, but I never heard of anyone being drowned. 

This lake covers a vast expanse of land that was once part of Ancient Egypt and Nubia.  Most, if not all, of the temples and monuments were moved to higher ground.  The problem, though, is that the waters submerged ancient towns and artifacts from some of the oldest civilizations in the world.
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This reconstruction makes Tutankhamun look like an emo. Big smile
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