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What is/are your favorite Chinese Dynasty/Dynasties?

Mine is Tang.

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Mine is Tang too, but  I have a special affection for the Ming.  I know they are not too popular but its in Ming that I see the greatest historical "what if" with the closing of the country and the voyages of Zheng He etc.
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My favorite would also be the Ming. A fascinating time in Chinese history!
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      Tang for me....

 one funny thing i noticed: young chinese with strong nationalistic  sentiments who are residing in mainland china i.e peoples' republic of china, have this tendency to worship the Han dynasty more than anything else. Chinese from Taiwan, HK, and overseas chinese including myself admire more the Tang's high culture than just pure military virtues in Han's sense.

         a reminder that overseas chinese still call themselfs "Tang Ren" or people of the Tang.

 



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i have known no overseas chinese call themselves tang ren.

I have heard them call themselves Han ren, Hua Qiao, Hua Ren.

The closest thing i can think of is tang ren jie, or chinatown.

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Song, because of the great strides in Art/Culture.


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What does "Qiao" in Hua Qiao mean?
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Originally posted by babyblue babyblue wrote:

      Tang for me....

 one funny thing i noticed: young chinese with strong nationalistic  sentiments who are residing in mainland china i.e peoples' republic of china, have this tendency to worship the Han dynasty more than anything else. Chinese from Taiwan, HK, and overseas chinese including myself admire more the Tang's high culture than just pure military virtues in Han's sense.

         a reminder that overseas chinese still call themselfs "Tang Ren" or people of the Tang.

 

 

I think I may know why, or have a theory.  Han was a bastion of covilization admist barbarous tribes, and a importnat "foundong" dynasty.  Therefore it was more closed and more "purely Chinese" , however the people off the mainland would like Tang because it was more focuses on trade and less haughty about foriegn ideas, much like Chinese off the mainland one could say.

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?? I donh't observe any mainland chinese praise Han that much, all of which I know clearly consider Tang the greatest
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Originally posted by ihsan ihsan wrote:

What does "Qiao" in Hua Qiao mean?


hua qiao means overseas chinese.

And no i have never ever heard a chinese express themselves as Tang Ren. Only Han Ren or Hua Ren.

Maybe in the past they called themselves that, with Chinatown being called Tang Ren Jie, but not anymore.
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Alot of overseas Chinese here in America call themselves Tang ren. Specifically, in California. I'm not sure about other states.
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Shang...Y?  I like their bronze stuff...it's very pretty
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Originally posted by fastspawn fastspawn wrote:

Originally posted by ihsan ihsan wrote:

What does "Qiao" in Hua Qiao mean?


hua qiao means overseas chinese.

And no i have never ever heard a chinese express themselves as Tang Ren. Only Han Ren or Hua Ren.

Maybe in the past they called themselves that, with Chinatown being called Tang Ren Jie, but not anymore.

   it really depends on the make up of the overseas chinese community, you see, in australia, the majority of chinese in sydney or melbourne are cantonese, and they rarely refer to themselfs as Hua Ren or Han Ren, only Tang Ren. Whereas in the past decade, more and more Mandarin speaking chinese started to come to australia, wether to stay or to study, and they are the ones who calls

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The Qin dynasty, of Shi Huangdi. Even though he was cruel, he founded the Chinese empire that lasted until the overthrow of the Qing in 1911, and build the Great Wall of China.
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Though I don't like Tang(nemesis to Koguri), I am sure that Chinese do like them, so my votes on them. 

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You have to learn to respect your enemies especially after the wars are done by over a thousand years ago!
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Yup.  That's why I am trying to learn much about Tang.
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Tang is my favourite.Chinese in Indonesia usually call themselves Tang Ren although sometime also call Hua Qiao,Hua Ren or Han ren.
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I like the Qing Dynasty because of its architects and music, in general because of its art. The art of the Tang Dynasty also be very good at poetry and music, too.
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How do you decide on a favourite? To me there is something to admire and something to deplore in more or less every dynasty.

Perhaps I would say the Song, for expanding the civil service examinations. Unlike before, when most acquired official positions through family connections, from Song times onwards the exams became the major route to officialdom. The benefits of instuting a meritocracy over nepotism can hardly be overstated. At the same time you could accuse the Song of not providing enough stability, first losing the north to the Jurchen and then collapsing entirely under the Mongols.

On a more personal level I could also praise the Tang for their cosmopolitanism, the Ming for their sexual liberalism and for having an emperor who was skilled at making furniture, while the Han should be appreciated mainly for disintegrating and providing a great backdrop for Luo Guanzhong's Three Kingdoms.
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