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    Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 13:07
A new law is coming in april that forbids critisizing laws or government policies.If you are proven to be guilty of discussing cyprus or assisted suicide you will be sentenced for 10 years or so.This law has to pass through TBMM first.Will it pass?
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This law has been supported by Euroepan Union just a few moths ego. If we continue to follow this empty, retarded, backward European Union path our democracy will get a huge harm.

It is very well known that Europe is only a so-called democratic political entity. EU is nothing more than a tool of capitalism and the aim is certainly not to serve to people and democracy.

This law in Turkey cannot pass. If it passes these laws can not be applied. We will defend our level of democracy and freedoms in Turkey.

 "European Democracy"    such an empty image. The biggest lie of history is the Europaen Union.

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Why do they want to pass this law?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mixcoatl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 18:26
It would be an outrage if it's passed. That's turning the country into a dictatorship
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Originally posted by Alparslan Alparslan wrote:

This law has been supported by Euroepan Union

You're out of your mind! EU is a strong supported of Democracy and Human Rights and all the laws that it's trying to enforce on Turkey are in that direction and that direction alone. Get real, please!

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I was a bit mystified by the original post and wasn't quite sure what Akyncy was talking about.
It seems he is refering to the new "Turkish Penal Code" that comes into force tomorrow 1/4. This new code reforms the turkish criminal law that still goes back to the 1920.
The new penal code reforms the entire width of law and not only issues of freedom of speech, as Akyncy seems to indicate. It has been welcomed by the EU as the step in the right direction to fulfill the political criteria of Turkey's entry.
However, some organisation and politicians have expressed concern that part of the new law regarding media and press might endanger the freedom of opression.

From Amnesty International 23/3/05:

"While the new Penal Code has introduced many positive changes - most notably in the removal of gender-discriminatory articles - it still contains numerous restrictions on fundamental rights. Some provisions, which the authorities had used before to breach international standards related to freedom of expression, were carried over from the old Penal Code. For example, Article 159 which criminalized acts that "insult or belittle" various state institutions, and which Amnesty International has repeatedly called for to be abolished, reappears as Article 301 of the new Penal Code in the section entitled "Crimes against symbols of the states sovereignty and the honour of its organs" (Articles 299 - 301). Amnesty International is concerned that this section could be used to criminalize legitimate expression of dissent and opinion."


In view of the recent police violence against peaceful protesters in Istanbul, these concerns seem to be justified.
So, firstly, as far I understand, this new code has been passed already and will be law from tomorrow 1/4. And, secondly, it has indeed found some sort of approval from the EU, but also met with criticism.



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Originally posted by akıncı akıncı wrote:

This law has to pass through TBMM first.Will it pass?

Pardon me, but what is TBMM?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote akıncı Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 04:54

OK here is some more info:

The laws of 1980 forbid to say or think anything that challenges or penetrates the authority of the government.They are trying t make it more specific.So if you even say "Cyprus is full of s**t,The discussion on cyprus is hopless"you go to jail.It even makes nudity on newspapers or tv a crime.No more models on the telly.I think this is an outrage.......

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Originally posted by Alparslan Alparslan wrote:

 

This law has been supported by Euroepan Union just a few moths ego. If we continue to follow this empty, retarded, backward European Union path our democracy will get a huge harm.

It is very well known that Europe is only a so-called democratic political entity. EU is nothing more than a tool of capitalism and the aim is certainly not to serve to people and democracy.

This law in Turkey cannot pass. If it passes these laws can not be applied. We will defend our level of democracy and freedoms in Turkey.

 "European Democracy"    such an empty image. The biggest lie of history is the Europaen Union.

I agree with you.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thegeneral Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 11:47
Anytime the Europeans make some kind of union it falls apart because it is corrupt beyond belief!  Even if they join a union it falls apart!  Why is this?
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Originally posted by Thegeneral Thegeneral wrote:

Anytime the Europeans make some kind of union it falls apart because it is corrupt beyond belief! 

Could you give some examples of unions that fell apart?
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UN, Kyoto Accords fell apart, EU ain't doing to good.
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Originally posted by Thegeneral Thegeneral wrote:

UN, Kyoto Accords fell apart, EU ain't doing to good.

The UN and Kyoto are no European accords, but they are supposed to be worldwide.
If they're not working that's definately not Europe's fault
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This is absolutely retarded. This basically destroys civil liberties. How can anyone be for this. Though, I am not surprised the EU would be backing this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 22:10
Quote UN, Kyoto Accords fell apart, EU ain't doing to good.

UN is still together, and isn't a 'European' thing. Kyoto is being ratified by many countries, so it hasn't really 'fallen apart' useless though it is, and again, isn't a 'European thing'.
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Originally posted by Thegeneral Thegeneral wrote:

UN, Kyoto Accords fell apart, EU ain't doing to good.

Kyoto accords up and running fine in most countries now, with one major exception, USA.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 23:09
that law seems really evil, I hope it does not pass.  Not even allowed to discuss the Cyprus situation? That how is it suppoed to be solved or figured out?  This si clearly an attempt to shut public opinion out of the elite who run the country...which can be a good or bad thing but in this issue its bad.
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Besides Greece there are a number of European countries that are concerned that their countries could get flooded with some of Turkey's poor. I remember reading something about Austria having this fear, they fear losing their culture.

Freedom of religion is still an issue that Turkey needs to deal with. It is on their constitution but if someone passes our Bibles they still can be deported or arrested if they are a Turkish Christian. Now, keeping those pesky Christians out is fine with me, but I still believe in freedom of religion and speech. Turkey should have to guarantee this before they are accepted into the EU.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Apr-2005 at 00:25
Some European countries have already been 'flooded' with Turkey's poor, and i think if the recent new East European members have taught anything, its not the poor who are quick to enjoy the new found freedom of movement, but rather the middle classes.
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