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    Posted: 19-Dec-2008 at 06:49
Gunpowder weapons were widely used by the time of the Ming Dynasty, however Chinese troops were no match for the Mongols' highly mobile cavalry. I suspect their familiarity with terrain would've helped the Mongols as well.

Ming military defeats were often also result of the incompetence of its own leadership, for instances during the Tumu Crisis of 1449. The Chinese were decisively defeated and the Emperor captured, due largely to internal factional fighting and poor planning.


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"Most war between Mongol and Ming was about solution on trading dispute. If Ming close trading ports, Mongol cavalery knock the door.
Maybe it might sound like British gunboat diplomacy"
 
Except that this diplomacy seem to only anger the Ming and never successfully forced the Ming to open trade. What finally opened trade in the end was the submission of one of Altan's kin to the Ming and the strengthening of the northern frontiers by Zhang Ju Zheng which forced Altan to ask for peace under the condition that he submit to the Ming as a vassal. This he did and the Ming bestowed him the title "the khan who converted to civilization".

 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bright Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Mar-2009 at 17:57
One thing I need to say that Ming is the best time in Chinese history.
freedom~
 
mongolian had no citys~ they were nomads~
and Han people were a little bit arrogant, so they looked nomads down. and they don't want the land of mongolian... ...(OMG)
 
Qing was another issue, manchurian was nomads too, they were same kind of people to a certain extent.
 
yeah~ that's all~
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because they came from there
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Well, the Mongolian were nomads, weren't they? So they could leave their land to the north or west when the Chinese came. Leaving an empty land for the Chinese Army to conquer.
 
Because the chinese were only meet an empty land, then there was no victory they could archieve. So, it was true that they considers their champaign to the north as failure.
 
The only way to defeat the Mongol was to exterminate their whole clan, if you want to ask How to defeat them. Because if not, they could move every where in the steppe when the danger come and then return to harrass the Ming Border when the Chinese Army back. But the chinese were never did it because of their own art of war. So, it is logical if they couldn't defeat Mongol. For them, the way of winning was to conquer a city and it's civilization, while there was no city in the steppe at that time, and the civilization can't be pasified. So they can't win the war.


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