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Originally posted by gcle gcle wrote:

I'd suggest a religion is something that reassures people, and gives them a sense of community with other believers, defining it by its goal, but again of course science does that too.


Yes, I agree. And this would apply to many other belief systems also e.g. nationalism. This only goes to highlight how difficult it can be to define the unique nature of religious belief.
It is not the challenges a people face which define who they are, but rather the way in which they respond to those challenges.

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gcle2003: With regard to the bit about people wanting to govern other people's lives, then if he attacks all people who want to govern other people's lives, then fine. But he doesn't. He singles out theists, and there's no objective reason to do so. Atheists and theists alike are guilty of that, and atheists and theists alike are also innocent of it. But that's not Dawkins' message.
 
If one thinks religious belives has no foundation in any tangible reality then one also tend to see religious peoples governing of others as rather preposterous. That is not to say that one can also find many other forms of interference in other peoples lives wrong.
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Originally posted by gcle gcle wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine Constantine wrote:


To be honest, despite Omar's and my own efforts at looking through the dictionary, neither of us found a truly holistic dictionary definition which captures its key features and nature as people in our world understand religion. This is a significant impediment in exploring the topic.

'People in our world' understand 'religion' in different ways.

Both quotes are very true. (In fact I agree wholeheartedly with everything you two have post in the last day or so)

I've noticed this is very relevant within the Islamic community, to point out two groups for example, there is one that strictly follows rules, and sees religion just a set of rules to follow, and there is one group that follows religion as an ideal, with the rules being a path to the ideal but not the ideal itself.
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