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    Posted: 17-Apr-2006 at 04:21
my geuss is a yakut guy.
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Huns, Yakuts, Sakas...

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how far back do you want to go?
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as far as we can consider an specific tribe such as yakut.


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Chinese sources stated at first, the turkic people live in the Gold mountain(Altai mountain). They served the Yuo Yen people(Yakuts?) by making weapon, then they  crushed the Yuo yen, building up a strong empire.Some souces also stated that Huns had connection with them.
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Originally posted by Perspolis Perspolis wrote:

as far as we can consider an specific tribe such as yakut.

Yakuts (they call themselves Saka) are present day nation, so you can't link the ancestry of Turkic people to them. .

Maybe someone think they are more purer due to the isolated location, but we know that they have had close contact with Tungustic people in the far east. One thing is true, they have preserved the ancient religion of Turkic people-Shamanism, and a lot of old cultures characterised by this religion, but racially they are quite different from their anscestors.

 

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Originally posted by tommy tommy wrote:

Chinese sources stated at first, the turkic people live in the Gold mountain(Altai mountain). They served the Yuo Yen people(Yakuts?) by making weapon, then they  crushed the Yuo yen, building up a strong empire.Some souces also stated that Huns had connection with them.

It was not the whole turkic people, just one of the Kok Turk tribes-Ashina. They were a small group with only 500 house holds and  iron servants of the Rouruans (Juan Juan, Jurjan).  according to the myth, they were ten sons of a female wolf, and Ashina was the youngest. Chinese chronicles says that Tujue is an alternative race of Xiongnu (Hun).

Rouruan has nothing to do with Yakuts. According to the chinese chronicles, They are different from the Shi Wei tribes (Tungustic), and more related to the Hunnic stock.

Actually, Ashina Turks (Tu Jue) defeated some Tura (Tiele) tribes ( Who had continuous fight with Rouruans)and annexed more than 50,000 people. Then the head asked to get married with Rouruan princess and got rejected, then they rebelled and overthrew Rouruan, and built Kok Turk empire. 

Tiele were the descendants of Chile (Gaoche), Chile of Dingling, Dinling of Xiongnu (Hun), according to chinese chronicles. We can go further, and there were Chi Di (red Di) people. It is a very long story.

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

how far back do you want to go?

Well, if we go back as far as we can, we ALL come from a couple of black people from modern Ethiopia and the north-west African plains

Kinda makes racial identities a farce, but doesn't detract from their importance i suppose...
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Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

how far back do you want to go?

Originally posted by Suevari Suevari wrote:

Well, if we go back as far as we can, we ALL come from a couple of black people from modern Ethiopia and the north-west African plains

 

Dont stop! go farther! Find the first ancestor of Turkic tribes

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But if you want to go really far, you can even find such great Turk like thisone:

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Those monkeys and the amoeba are the anscestors of all mankind and thelatter of all living things!
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This thread is going off topic. Some of you may find humor a bit customary for threads like this. However, remember to keep the discussion from veering off the deep end.
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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

This thread is going off topic. Some of you may find humor a bit customary for threads like this. However, remember to keep the discussion from veering off the deep end.

I dont think so. Actually i have answered on the question in topic :

Who was the ancestor of Turkic tribes ?

I only went farther than anyone else here, therefore my answer is better

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ancestor tribe of the Turkic tribes now is the Huns of Mao'dun, i think.
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Dont stop! go farther! Find the first ancestor of Turkic tribes


whats the deal buddy?
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Originally posted by DayI DayI wrote:

ancestor tribe of the Turkic tribes now is the Huns of Mao'dun, i think.
Originally posted by Mosquito Mosquito wrote:

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whats the deal buddy?

Sorry. I just couldnt resist but i had no bad intentions. Forgive me interrupting your discussion.



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Originally posted by Mosquito Mosquito wrote:

Sorry. I just couldnt resist but i had no bad intentions. Forgive me interrupting your discussion.

no dont get me wrong, i whasnt mad on or something but we do have people (me also include in that part) that doesnt believe in that theory But i agree we do have common ancestors

It whas little bit harsh to see monkeys as ancestors


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First Turkic tribe Urukhais




Baba Uruk Han




Baba Uruk,  a different angle (Tststsssssss)

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Maybe Ankarapithecus is the real ancestor of Turks:

Ankarapithecus meteai remains include a handful of mandibles and partial faces from Central Turkey, and date to around 10 million years ago (Begun and Gulic, 1998). These remains show many similarities to Sivapithecus from South Asia, and have sometimes been included in that genus. However, Ankarapithecus lacks a number of features that link Sivapithecus with living and fossil orangutans, causing some paleontologists to suggest that it may represent the earliest radiation of Asian apes. Such a position would explain the retention of many primitive similarities with European apes like Dryopithecus, and would mean that the Anatolian population survived as a relict of the early Asian radiation even as the subsequent radiation of Sivapithecus into the later Asian apes occurred in South Asia.

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