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Quote Who has a fossil of an angel?


Fossils prove creatures existed and prove how old a creature is, not that it magically transformed from a fish to a lizard.

Quote So, how can children be raised in such manner that they would freely choose what their faith will be?


When they come of age they can act in whatever manner they choose, many take this time to abandon their parents faith because they don't understand it fully. If this happens they either become agnostic/atheists or they seek out another form of faith, or they eventually return to their parents faith. Many people don't discover their religious identity until their teenage years.

Quote Then why possesing something material at all? Why aren't the Christians just giving everything to those who think of material possesions as being significant? If one purpose of a christian is to be united with God he should not care at all about material possesion. The Romanian Orthodox Church, for example, has quite a lot of material possesions. Why doesn't it give them to those who care about such things?


You possess material things frankly because you don't know when it will be useful. Just because you are aware of how the world works doesn't mean you should try and "force holiness". You are allowed to possess things by God because he wants you to have them. They are there to serve a purpose, even if it is a small and seemingly useless purpose. Now this isn't in rejection of charity, as long as it was something you were going to do anyway. Sorry if it's a little confusing but it basically life is a river and God wants us to float and trust in him, rather than swim forward on our own or fight the current.

Quote Whatever, it still means that by answering the prayer the Saint (where did he came from? are these part time employees of fire departments?) have been compelled to do something. A prayer should be answered directly by God, why using minions?


Oh No, you misunderstood me, when I said saint I meant a normal person who acts in a self-sacrificing manner. Like the firefighters that kept going back inside the Twin Towers to save people.

Quote That's another reason I don't like Him. Let the firefighters choose.


Aha, but if God only allows the firefighters to chose which house is to be saved.

Quote Oh please, I don't wanna go to heaven! It looks boring.Ouch!


My version of Heaven is just like living in a big city and vacationing in beautiful wilderness outside of the city.

Quote He did stopped the workers of the Tower, why not finishing the job?


Because they did it to glorify man and not God. We are but servants and tools of God, it would be as if your saw built a tower glorifying itself, it would be a mockery of your power over the saw.

Quote Just that your post was reffering to a reply of mine to Voice of Reason.


I'm sorry I do that a lot. I try to impart the maximum amount of knowledge in my posts in order to lessen most of the bullshit I spew.
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Originally posted by JanusRook JanusRook wrote:

We are but servants and tools of God, it would be as if your saw built a tower glorifying itself, it would be a mockery of your power over the saw.
First, there's nothing wrong with the "saw" building a "tower" to glorify itself. Why is that supposed to be so bad?
Then if we are only tools and servants then maybe you mean that the purpose of humans life is to serve God. Therefore whatever purpose a person might think to have is in fact the purpose of God.
Quote When they come of age they can act in whatever manner they choose, many take this time to abandon their parents faith because they don't understand it fully. If this happens they either become agnostic/atheists or they seek out another form of faith, or they eventually return to their parents faith. Many people don't discover their religious identity until their teenage years.
That only means that parents determine the choice of chidren. If parents have liberal views, like yours for example, their children will be able to make a choice. If parents have restricted views, their children will most certain share the same narrow path. Religion is probably the best example regarding this: people do not choose their religion, they just foolow their parents religion.
I, for example, have been baptized according to the tradition of Romanian Orthodox Church. I was about 1 year old by then so there's little chance that my opinion would have mattered to anyone. According to some people I've spoke, that simple act made me an Orthodox Christian, despite the fact that I now declare myslef as being agnostic.
Anyway, the point is that for many people, the purpose(s) of their life is not their own but they see it as theirs. The worse comes when people don't even bother to think about their purpose just like you said about blind faith.
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Quote Why is that supposed to be so bad?


Because it's acting out of place. It is obviously inferior to yourself, and thus is not deserving of your position in the hierarchy of material things.

Quote Then if we are only tools and servants then maybe you mean that the purpose of humans life is to serve God.


It's not our purpose it's just something we do. Like soccer player runs but that's not his purpose.

Quote That only means that parents determine the choice of chidren. If parents have liberal views, like yours for example, their children will be able to make a choice.


Ha! My parents having liberal views is a hilarious thought, but I digress.....

Quote Religion is probably the best example regarding this: people do not choose their religion, they just foolow their parents religion.


You also don't choose you nation or language, would you like to have that choice as a child as well? Oh wait you can't because you wouldn't be able to make an informed decision, thus you need these things to help build your identity for later on in life, then if you feel comfortable in your identity then you won't change anything your parents have taught you. However if you feel like something is wrong in your identity then you will rebel against that and try and discover your own.
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Originally posted by JanusRook JanusRook wrote:

Because it's acting out of place. It is obviously inferior to yourself, and thus is not deserving of your position in the hierarchy of material things.
I think of me as being superior but not to that extent. The fact the the "saw" builds a tower doesn't affect my superiority. I think that my superiority would be to let it have fun.
Quote It's not our purpose it's just something we do. Like soccer player runs but that's not his purpose.
No, but he runs for a purpose. If we are but servants and tools of God then we don't have a purpose of our own, instead we are means for Him to reach His goals.
Quote Ha! My parents having liberal views is a hilarious thought, but I digress.....
Darn my English! I wasn't speaking about your parents I was speaking about your views.
Quote You also don't choose you nation or language, would you like to have that choice as a child as well? Oh wait you can't because you wouldn't be able to make an informed decision, thus you need these things to help build your identity for later on in life, then if you feel comfortable in your identity then you won't change anything your parents have taught you. However if you feel like something is wrong in your identity then you will rebel against that and try and discover your own.
That only supports what I'm saying. The faith of aperson is not necessarily a personal choice. Some people just cannot make a choice, especially if they are raised in a confined set of rules. If you are told as a child that there is no other choice but to have faith in God it will be very hard to realize that you do have other options. Christians describe any kind of deviations from the faith as temptations (?). Threfore any other option than faith is bad. That's the basic christian (not only but let's stick to this faith for the moment) set of options: faith is good, anything else is bad. Not much of a choice, in my opinion. So, if a child is raised in christian tradition he/she would hardly be able to realize that faith is an option not a requirement. In a way, all christians have a clear purpose in their life: to perpetuate their faith.
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Quote Darn my English! I wasn't speaking about your parents I was speaking about your views.


Oh I just realized that rereading it, don't worry the sentence you were trying to say is practically impossible in English to make, it requires two separate sentences to convey properly.

Quote In a way, all christians have a clear purpose in their life: to perpetuate their faith.


I think the same could be said of all belief systems, Christianity, Communism, Afrocentrism, I think our purpose might just boil down to spreading our genes and our memes.

Quote If we are but servants and tools of God then we don't have a purpose of our own, instead we are means for Him to reach His goals.


I wouldn't disagree with this....

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Originally posted by Cezar Cezar wrote:

No, but he runs for a purpose. If we are but servants and tools of God then we don't have a purpose of our own, instead we are means for Him to reach His goals.
 
No, you see that's what's amazing about it all Cezar, He doesn't need us! To say that a God needed me.. well i dont know if He'd be worthy of praise now would He? Not in my view anyways. In our own lives we have different wants and wishes, but that doesn't make them needs. God's goal is for us to have a relationship with Him, that's our choice, not His.
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Ok, VoR, we're expendable tools then since we are not needed by God. If one chooses to have a relation with God, does that mean that he only agrees to share the same purpose as God? Then maybe the purpose of life is to make choices.
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No, when someone becomes closer to God and has a true relationship with Him, God's will is instilled within us, and we find ourselves changing. His will becomes our will, not because He's "taking us over", but, instead, because we find ourselves viewing things the same way He would (the phrase, Living like Jesus) and because of that closeness, i guess you could say, just like any other friend on earth, that friend "rubs off" on you.
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Menumorut was correct. Once you accept that there is a purpose to life then you have accepted that we are created for a purpose. And if there is no purpose to life, why is everybody looking for one?
In the words of CS LEWIS:
Now, it is true that God does not need us because there is nothing that we could possibly give him that he didn't create or give us the ability to do. So it's like this;
Imagine a little boy going to his father and saying, "Daddy, can I have 2 dollars so I can buy you a birthday present?" Obviously the ability to buy the gift comes from the father himself, but he is still happy that his son got him a gift. So when you do something such as helping another person, your not really giving God anything, but he's still pleased that your doing it.
 
 
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Yes, i totally agree Nomad Smile
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