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    Posted: 26-May-2009 at 12:13
  Suppose the 'black plague' instead of striking Europe, has instead struck the  Africa, and ravanged that continent instead?
  What alternative rivers might have been created by this?
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Rivers?
 
 
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Sorry to disappoint you but black plague did strike Africa. Already having their own quarantine system (well before it was introduced in europe), the effect in some countries was less than others.
 
Egypt may have lost a third to half of its population in those dark days and one historian said the situation was so terrible a house would change hands 10 times in one month among relatives through inheritance.
 
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I could be mistaken, but wasn't part of the reason the plague was so bad in Europe in its various incarnations because of the proliferation of urban centers? I would imagine it would have a harder time ravaging sub-Saharan Africa. Then again, I am woefully uninformed wth regard to African history, and potentially misinformed with regard to European history, so take anything I say with several heaping spoonfuls of salt.

As far as what alternate courses history may have taken, I don't know enough to even begin to speculate. I'm sure someone here could do a bang-up job, though. Smile

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Subsaharan Africa had always had a high morbility, caused by theirs permanent exposure to contagious diseases, like malaria and others, and compensated only by its high fertility. So I bet the Black Plague wouldn't mean any difference there.
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I don't think the proliferation of urban centers really had that much to do with it in Europe since it was hardly confined to those.  Huge areas of non-urban areas were wiped out in Europe in addition to urban areas. Since urban areas were centers of commerce and travel they made easy places for cross-infection.

But I'm not sure what the original poster meant by "rivers" and can't say I know anything about (or care much about) alternate history. There are days it's hard enough dealing with what DID happen.


Originally posted by Akolouthos Akolouthos wrote:

I could be mistaken, but wasn't part of the reason the plague was so bad in Europe in its various incarnations because of the proliferation of urban centers? I would imagine it would have a harder time ravaging sub-Saharan Africa. Then again, I am woefully uninformed wth regard to African history, and potentially misinformed with regard to European history, so take anything I say with several heaping spoonfuls of salt.

As far as what alternate courses history may have taken, I don't know enough to even begin to speculate. I'm sure someone here could do a bang-up job, though. Smile

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  I didn't expect such a reaction, but it's nice to see so many folks talkin on this subject.

  I am curious though - my intent was asking if what might have happened if the plague had struck the **whole** of Africa?  Might this, if populations had been decimated, affected the future colonial slave trade?  And if so, what measures might have been taken to counter that problem?
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Read the tread, the answer is already there. The impact would be marginal.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Subsaharan Africa had always had a high morbility, caused by theirs permanent exposure to contagious diseases, like malaria and others, and compensated only by its high fertility. So I bet the Black Plague wouldn't mean any difference there.



i am thinking along those line also...black plague did strike afrika but they didn't care too much about it (or to put it in a less cynical way there were/are plenty lethal desies there already one more couldn't do much difference)

and its not only urbanization that matters (even though it is an important factor for the huge bodycount), it is also a increasing high desise resistance afrikans have due to fast generation's swaps that allow for natural resistence to appear and spread much faster than in other societies
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Quote and its not only urbanization that matters (even though it is an important factor for the huge bodycount), it is also a increasing high desise resistance afrikans have due to fast generation's swaps that allow for natural resistence to appear and spread much faster than in other societies

That depends though, Africans would only have immune resistance to the disease if they have encountered it before. The Black plague would affect the africans as much as the europeans because niether would have encountered it as much. 

But the only reason I believe why the Bubonic Plague did not reach the whole of Africa is because of large natural barriers such as the Sahara and relative isolation of central and southern Africa.
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