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And some of them returned to Central Asia. Don't forget that.

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There was a legend in Hungary (it was written in the 13th century) that Huns and Hungarians were the same nation and Attila was the ancestor of the Árpád-dinasty. Because of this legend the conquest of the Magyars was presented that the second conquest of the Huns.
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Originally posted by Nagyfejedelem Nagyfejedelem wrote:

There was a legend in Hungary (it was written in the 13th century) that Huns and Hungarians were the same nation and Attila was the ancestor of the Árpád-dinasty. Because of this legend the conquest of the Magyars was presented that the second conquest of the Huns.
This question is rather clouded. It is questioned whether the Árpads considered themselves to the descendants of Attila. And if the answer is yes what was the base of this, the real connection.
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Originally posted by Raider Raider wrote:

Originally posted by Nagyfejedelem Nagyfejedelem wrote:

There was a legend in Hungary (it was written in the 13th century) that Huns and Hungarians were the same nation and Attila was the ancestor of the Árpád-dinasty. Because of this legend the conquest of the Magyars was presented that the second conquest of the Huns.
This question is rather clouded. It is questioned whether the Árpads considered themselves to the descendants of Attila. And if the answer is yes what was the base of this, the real connection.

Khans from Bolgar dinasty Dulo was also presented as the descendants of Attila, so this relation was not only the product of Hungarian chroniclers' fantasy. And some chroniclers, eg. Anonymus writed about Attila, the ancestor of Árpád, but they didn't write about the connection beetwen Hungarians and Huns.

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How could there not have been a connection between the Hungarians and the Huns?  Just look at the size of Attila's empire and the vast numbers of peoples included within it.  The Magyars must have originated form within that milieu.  I don't see how it could have been otherwise.
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Question: What does the name Attila mean?

im guessing something to do with horseman as 'horse' in turkish is 'at'.

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Originally posted by oTToMAn_TurK oTToMAn_TurK wrote:

Question: What does the name Attila mean?

im guessing something to do with horseman as 'horse' in turkish is 'at'.

Attila is not his original name, but a name used by his german subjects. (=little father ???) I think His original name is similar to Attila, but still unknown.
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Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian Scytho-Sarmatian wrote:

How could there not have been a connection between the Hungarians and the Huns?  Just look at the size of Attila's empire and the vast numbers of peoples included within it.  The Magyars must have originated form within that milieu.  I don't see how it could have been otherwise.

Hungarians did not imemdiately came after the Huns, Avars were in between them, and Bulgars also have more chance of a real connection as they also cam ebefore the Magyars. and actually little is known of the Hunnish subjects further east. the extent of Attilas empire is still just speculation.

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Originally posted by Raider Raider wrote:

Originally posted by oTToMAn_TurK oTToMAn_TurK wrote:

Question: What does the name Attila mean?

im guessing something to do with horseman as 'horse' in turkish is 'at'.

Attila is not his original name, but a name used by his german subjects. (=little father ???) I think His original name is similar to Attila, but still unknown.

Attila was his Gothic nickname: Ata + illa meant 'little father', but 'ata' is a Turkish loan-word in the Goth language. On the other hand Attila meant 'river' in Turkish, eg. the Volga was called Itil by the Khazars and Hungarians, too.

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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian Scytho-Sarmatian wrote:

How could there not have been a connection between the Hungarians and the Huns?  Just look at the size of Attila's empire and the vast numbers of peoples included within it.  The Magyars must have originated form within that milieu.  I don't see how it could have been otherwise.

Hungarians did not imemdiately came after the Huns, Avars were in between them, and Bulgars also have more chance of a real connection as they also cam ebefore the Magyars. and actually little is known of the Hunnish subjects further east. the extent of Attilas empire is still just speculation.

Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian Scytho-Sarmatian wrote:

How could there not have been a connection between the Hungarians and the Huns?  Just look at the size of Attila's empire and the vast numbers of peoples included within it.  The Magyars must have originated form within that milieu.  I don't see how it could have been otherwise.

Hungarians did not imemdiately came after the Huns, Avars were in between them, and Bulgars also have more chance of a real connection as they also cam ebefore the Magyars. and actually little is known of the Hunnish subjects further east. the extent of Attilas empire is still just speculation.

Avar groups really assimilated into the Magyars. Perhaps Avars had a Hun heritage and it was presented that Hungarians had Hunnic ancestors. But Hungarian chronicles had political reasons. Avars were conquered by Charlemagne and the Avar heritage meant that the Kingdom of Hungary would a vassal of the HRE. The Hunnic heritage meant that Hungarians never were the vassals of the Franks and other Germanic tribes.

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Other names of Attila:

Bolgar: Avitohol

Hungarian: Etele

German: Etzel

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Avars in fact have been eradicated by Charlemagne, according to Frankish sources.
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Avars really suffered a lot under the Franks, but this genocid only a tipical overstatement of chronical writers. Hungarians met Avars in todays Hungary. On the other hand some Hungarian historians think that the crimes of Magyar warriors on the West during the 10th cetury were the revenge of the Avars' massacring.
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I always thought that Attila means "one with horse"
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Originally posted by erci erci wrote:

I always thought that Attila means "one with horse"

thats what i thought too, as in "at+ile" in turkish.

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I know about a Turkish word 'ata'. (It's similar to Hungarian 'atya'.) I think this is the origin of the Attilas name.
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Avars in fact have been eradicated by Charlemagne, according to Frankish sources.
Do you think that all of the avars were killed and they just vanished? Avar power was crushed by Charlemange, but the avar people remained. Archeological evidence shows that avars lived in the Carpathina Basin when the Hungarians arrived there.

Anonymus in the Gesta Hungarorum speaks about pastores Romanorum. (sheperds of the Romans) It is highly probable that he refers to the remaining avars. (According to Romanian historians he speaks about the ancient Romanian, but I do not think so. Anonymus refers Romanians as blaci. -> blacis ac pastores Romanorum)



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Charlemagne coonquer only the western part of Avar khaganate.The Easten part was annexed by bulgarian khan Krum.The avars there were not killed but become part of bulgarian army,nothing more was mention about them.Probably they had not been so much large population(only ruling class).
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Yes, the Bulgarians really conquered the Eastern parts. But Avars were crashed by Charlemagne. Krum invaved the Avars after the Frankish victories which made weak the Avars. But this invasion was quite important: Krum not only occupied the Eastern Avar territories, but stopped the Frankish to go East. And after that Avars fought in the Bulgarian army against the Byzantines, and this one is also important.
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Hi, I am sure some of the huns enteed middle east.The erea I belong to is called khunj in Azerbaijani Turkish, Khun is the Azeri pronounciation of Huns.Azeri khunj is changed to persian khonj.Khoni is a family name in Iran
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