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    Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 14:35
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Hey I think the picture is just cute, Jesus lovingly embracing a baby velociraptor gives me a big warm and fuzzy feeling. Based on the next picture, I am guessing that according to Christian theology that dinosaurs were wiped out by the time Noah began building his Ark?:
 
LOL (except for the second one, for obvious reasons)
 
I would say that the pictures posted above are a bit less consistent with Christian theology than the first one. Wink
 
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Are we not living with the descendants of dinosaurs now with birds? Or am I way behind the times? Other than that I suppose it is theoretically possible that there are still some isolated pockets of dinosaurs, in say, the Congo, or if you include ancient sea creatures Nessie style.




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Coincidentally I'm just re-reading Conan Doyle's Lost World (about a colony of dinosaurs that survive thanks to be isolated on the top of a huge outcrop somewhere in the Amazon basin).
 
Since Doyle also believed fervently in spiritualism, this doesn't add much to the discussion except to point out it's been going on a long time.
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Originally posted by Tyranos

Even the Bible also describes Dragons, which can easily be interpreted as Dinosaurs.  Somehow Dragon's ended up looking like Dinosaurs, so the ancients had to have known something. 
 

There is one problem with that, though. Some Christian fundamentalist explanations in the past have been that dino bones were created as they are now, in the earth, as part of the earth as fossils. Some reasoning was that they were supposed to challenge faith. That kind of reasoning cannot be argued against, it is a belief with its own internal logic, without any self contradiction as such.

 

 The problem then is that if you claim humans and dinos co-existed, then they were not created as an illusion to challenge faith, but rather just a part of the fauna. That leaves out an explanation of fossils, as they require quite some time to be formed, and according to this idea God must have created both the illusionary fossils and living creatures of the same kind. This only applies if you think the world is young, though.

 

If you think the world is old, but that all creatures were created simultaneously, then the only way humans and dinos could have co-existed is if humans are much older than thought - or if dinos continued to exist for far longer than anticipated. In the first scenario any thought of evolution is invalid, but not in the second.

 

The bible descriptions don't really say that they were dinosaurs. Nowhere does it claim anything like that. If you think they were dinos then it is an interpretation of the writings, but certainly not a fact. I'm not even certain that the bible mentions "dragons" anywhere, that depends on how it was translated. It doesn't require dinosaurs as an exlanation, and there have been many other large creatures than just dinosaurs in the fossil legend anyway.
 
What I mean is that the bible alone is not evidence for the co-existence of man and dinosaur.


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In my book (see http://atheistic-science.com) I answer that question.  It goes back to pre-history when, according to archeologist Gimbutas, the mother goddess was represented by and revered as a snake because snakes appeared to be able to be reborn (they shed their skin!).  When the herding and hunting male dominated religion-based societies replaced the old temple prostitution goddess age, they demonized her symbol, the snake, into a large and powerful serpent threat just waiting for Alpha males to rise up and kill them---which their mythology claims they did in all the early patriarchal-monogamous societies.  I even found "dragons" mentioned in the Rigveda! 

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Originally posted by Jams

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The bible descriptions don't really say that they were dinosaurs. Nowhere does it claim anything like that. If you think they were dinos then it is an interpretation of the writings, but certainly not a fact. I'm not even certain that the bible mentions "dragons" anywhere, that depends on how it was translated. It doesn't require dinosaurs as an exlanation, and there have been many other large creatures than just dinosaurs in the fossil legend anyway.
 
The Bible mentions the Leviatan, a giant marine monster chrocodrile-like, so powerfull that could kill only with the power of its sight. It is in the book of Job.
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Originally posted by charlesbrough

In my book (see http://atheistic-science.com) I answer that question.  It goes back to pre-history when, according to archeologist Gimbutas, the mother goddess was represented by and revered as a snake because snakes appeared to be able to be reborn (they shed their skin!).  When the herding and hunting male dominated religion-based societies replaced the old temple prostitution goddess age, they demonized her symbol, the snake, into a large and powerful serpent threat just waiting for Alpha males to rise up and kill them---which their mythology claims they did in all the early patriarchal-monogamous societies.  I even found "dragons" mentioned in the Rigveda! 

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The serpent is also associated with the earth, because serpents move on the ground and take refuge in pits. Earth is usually associated to a woman, because both are sources of life. That's why serpents, women and the earth were usually associated in some old religions.
 
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Yes, Pinguin, I know. Leviathan, not dragon. It is just assumed that Leviathan=dragon=dino, without any real reason. Could dragons kill by looking at things?
 
Remember, in the west we call Chinese "dragons" dragons, but that's just because we associate the look with medieval dragons. They are definitely not the same, and maybe biblical "dragons" aren't either. The ultimate dragon is Tiamat, and she probably wasn't a dragon like all the others probably weren't. They were just monsters.
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Well the 'Dinosaur' term didnt exist yet,lol. But the Bible not only speaks  of Dragons but also giants.Wink


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Yes it is =  Sphenodontia
 
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Originally posted by Tyranos

Well the 'Dinosaur' term didnt exist yet,lol. But the Bible not only speaks  of Dragons but also giants.Wink

Evidence for giants nephilim /anunaki part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o

This one is interesting:
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Whether they meant the same is impossible to know now. "Dragon" as we use the term now is a medievel concept. Fire breathing, winged scaled magical beast that knights are to kill.
Even if it was posted before, the picture is still quite interesting, I'll have to admit that. Quite puzzling. I know of the giants in the bible, but what they're supposed to be, who knows?
Oh, it's ankor, and Ankor isn't really all that old. Still, It seems a mystery to me where they would get the idea of such a creature. It really looks like a stegosaur. Oddly, one of the earlier dinos (Jurassic).
 
Maybe a race of Valuev's?
 
 
 That video is what I consider new age- it mixes a lot of myths together in order to support an idea. But despite that, it is still mostly circular reasoning.
 


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Here is what Richard Dawkins has to say on the matter. I practically fell off my chair with applause at the use of: "proper university"

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Based on the topic...

I dont think so human and dinosaur can get along..
wild animals and human..?? with the size of gigantic creatures? better not.
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Originally posted by Dolphin

Are we not living with the descendants of dinosaurs now with birds? Or am I way behind the times? Other than that I suppose it is theoretically possible that there are still some isolated pockets of dinosaurs, in say, the Congo, or if you include ancient sea creatures Nessie style.




 
 
 
In fact, birds are dinosaurs. According with most of the scientists, althought not all, they are one of the theropods, the only living theropods... and dinosours.
 
 
 
Supposing the presence of other types of dinossaur, I put my money too in tropical jungles of the old world, because those of the new world surelly without time to adapt to the new menace could be hunted by humans
 
Look these curious reports from New Guinea:
 
 
 
The Lost World Of Papua New Guinea
By Jordan P. Niednagel

It's but a small, independent nation located in the southwestern Pacific ocean, north of Australia and east of Indonesia. The nation is so small, in fact, that is doesn't even fully encompass the small island on which it is located, sharing the western half of the island with the Indonesian province of Papua (formerly Irian Jaya). It has a total area of 178,704 square miles (462,840 sq km), and most of its inhabitants live in rural villages along the coast or in the rugged interior. High mountains and lush rain forests spread as far as the eye can see, reminiscent of a prehistoric world vanished long ago. Welcome, friend, to Papua New Guinea.[1]


More Than Meets The Eye

Lest ye be fooled that this land is just like any other tropical paradise, we give thee ample warning. Strange creatures are said by some to inhabit the nearly impenetrable jungles ... large, dinosaur-like animals the size of vehicles, with teeth long enough to be seen from considerable distances. Fairytales? Figments of the imagination? You be the judge.

We begin more recently in March of 2004, when dinosaur-hype was again renewed with the sightings of "a three-metre tall, grey-coloured creature with a head like a dog and a tail like a crocodile." A multiplicity of news agencies picked up on the story, with headlines including: "Hunt for 'dinosaur' on volcanic island" (The Age), "'Dinosaur' Discovery In PNG" (SBS), and "Police hunt dinosaur-like creature on island" (IOL).


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And here critics about the Angkor's stegosaurus
 


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