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    Posted: 18-Sep-2008 at 19:31

Many people and civilizations, China, india, or Europe,or nomads  they all had the legend of dragons, so was it possible Dinosaur lived in the human age?

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Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, humans evolved about 2 million years ago. There are plenty of animals which are scary, enough to be dragons, there is that lizard in Sumatra, an spitting snake in Africa, alligators etc.
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Even today people mistake mundane creatures for dragons, as long as they don't know about their existance before they happen upon them:
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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, humans evolved about 2 million years ago. There are plenty of animals which are scary, enough to be dragons, there is that lizard in Sumatra, an spitting snake in Africa, alligators etc.
 
 
Dragons probably have their root in fossil finds by ancient man.  I know that many creatures in Greek mythology have origins stemming from fossils. 
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Well I have every confidence that 'dragon-like' creatures and other dinosaur fossils would have been excavated by the ancients during construction. Whether they put the pieces together is a mystery, but is certainly interesting to ponder on.

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Excluding the descendants of the dinosaurs who are still with us today (e.g. Tuatara, Crocodiles) - the answer is no. Humans and dinosaurs as we recognise them have never coexisted. Some, who believe the earth is only slightly older than several thousand years, do believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted. But such a belief totally contradicts all the evidence we know about biology, geology, archaeology, palaeontology etc.

One theory is based on wishful thinking, the other on a collection of all the available strenuously gathered and discussed facts of science.
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Now wait just one second, guys. I saw a documentary with Adam and Eve riding a Brachiosaur out of paradise.
 
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Originally posted by Akolouthos Akolouthos wrote:

Now wait just one second, guys. I saw a documentary with Adam and Eve riding a Brachiosaur out of paradise.
 
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And did they go have Brontosaurus burgers after and use a Pteradactyl to help with doing the dishes?

I do agree though, drinking copiously whilst watching the Flintstones is great fun Big%20smile
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Originally posted by Akolouthos Akolouthos wrote:

Now wait just one second, guys. I saw a documentary with Adam and Eve riding a Brachiosaur out of paradise.
 
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And did they go have Brontosaurus burgers after and use a Pteradactyl to help with doing the dishes?

I do agree though, drinking copiously whilst watching the Flintstones is great fun Big%20smile
 
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Now that Ako and CXI have demonstrated and revealed their preferred sources and main litterature Wink, lets return to the topic - was it possible?
 
In the perspective of a billion years or more, combined with the socalled fact that the evolution of the insignificant last race of humans (as we know them) took 2 million years, I would say its very possible that some kind of "humans" could have evolved and extinct during the reign of the dinosaurs (+200 million years as far as we know).
 
Coexsistance likely? - maybe not - but possible, yes, even more times.
Some race(s) of "humans" could also easily have predated the dinosaurs - more times.
 
Why do we always equate our own inadequate limitations with possibilities?
 
 
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         Many explorations have identified some unknowns of the past .But the natural history is still not very clear according to the deficiency of the methods(materials or measurements)of the science.So we should first confess our ignorance about it and know our limitations when we claim sth.
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      If you measured the dinosaurs` sense organ`s capability you could say "Coexsistance likely" if you didn`t, pls do not make sense about evolution of the human .
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Originally posted by red clay red clay wrote:

Dragons probably have their root in fossil finds by ancient man.  I know that many creatures in Greek mythology have origins stemming from fossils. 


True.
+ Most dragon like creatures in Greek mythology derive from the Python snake.


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Yep, alot of medieval dragons are actually "wyrms" not lizards.

Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Some race(s) of "humans" could also easily have predated the dinosaurs - more times.


That would be awfully amazing, considering mammals were only just evolving out of the pelycosaurs and earliest cynodonts.
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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

Originally posted by red clay red clay wrote:

Dragons probably have their root in fossil finds by ancient man.  I know that many creatures in Greek mythology have origins stemming from fossils. 


True.
+ Most dragon like creatures in Greek mythology derive from the Python snake.
 
That's correct. Dragons very likely have an origin in fossils and serpents. However, there is a third influence that fascinates me as well, as a complement to the other two: earthquakes.
 
In regions where quakes happens with regularity (China, Japan, the Pacific coast of the Americas, etc.) the histories about giant snakes and underground monsters are quite common. As major quakes are sometimes accompanied of volcano activity, the archetype of the dragon is there visible on nature.
 
I explain, if you live a major quake (7 degrees richter scale and above) it is usually possible to see the ground waving as if it were the surface of the sea, or a major snake moving underground. In Chile, among the Mapuches, there is a legend of two major snakes that fight a battle of cosmic proportions that destroyed the earth, with the snake of the earth (earthquakes) and the snake of the sea (tsunamis) fighting for dominance, accompanied by the spirits (exploding volcanos).
 
I believe those natural phenomena also helped in the creation of the dragon archetype. With respect to the fire of the dragon, that may be a combination between the power of volcanos and also the devasting effect of poison in serpents, a methaphor of fire.
 


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Even the Bible also describes Dragons, which can easily be interpreted as Dinosaurs.  Somehow Dragon's ended up looking like Dinosaurs, so the ancients had to have known something. 
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We do not know what could ancient cultures understand as "dragons". Still in all mythologies we discover supernatural creatures, such as dragons, cyclops etc.
 
Still we know that ancient cultures had exposure to fossils and mammoth bones and one culture was conveying stories through the interaction with another.
 
One interesting proposal is that Cyclops in ancient Greek mythology were developed when Greeks encountered the Scythians north of the Black Sea. There they saw mammoth sculls and misinterpreted the scull hole where the trunk comes out for the eye-socket. Hence the idea of a giant, a one-eyed cyclop. Small elephants were also found fossilised in Greece and Italy.
 
 
 
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The Dragon's looking like flying Dinosaurs and even getting their reptilian and feathered features right is far to coincidental.  Also your taking the leap of faith thinking they put the fossils together correctly, but also saying they didnt know what they were doing at the same time because  they got the Cyclops from a  Elephant(which is a theory btw). Has to be one or the other here with that one.

No, there is no reason to believe Dinosaurs could not of survived well into the Upper Paleolithic or Bronze Ages and the memory carried over into peoples traditions and religions(which cover the entire globe and before the age of TV).


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I know it doesn't add to the intellectual calibre of this discussion, but I couldn't help myself Big%20smile



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Actually, that might not be far from the truth, at least from a Christian perspective (Creationist, theistic-evolutionist, etc.). The pre-Incarnate Logos did accomplish creation at the will of the Father. I'm not sure we can be positive of the anthropomorphic portrayal, but that is how it is in the icons of the Creation narrative.
 
Figured I'd respond to a joke with a serious analysis, and thus ensure that your picture did, in fact, add to the intellectual calibre of this discussion. LOL
 
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Hey I think the picture is just cute, Jesus lovingly embracing a baby velociraptor gives me a big warm and fuzzy feeling. Based on the next picture, I am guessing that according to Christian theology that dinosaurs were wiped out by the time Noah began building his Ark?:




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