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    Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 01:16

I was reading of the history of Van and after Tushba suddenly Urartus are disapeared from the history page.

Where are they?are they Armenian now or Kurdish?
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Sharrukin can no doubt provide a concise answer to this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sharrukin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 05:02
At first they were not.  The IE-speaking Armenians inhabited the western portion of historical Armenia until the Persian period.  Herodotus mentioned Armenia as divided into two tributary districts, the western one mainly inhabited by Armenians, while the eastern one was inhabited by Alarodians, Saspirians, and Matienians.  The Alarodians continued to bare the name of the Urartians.  The initial Armenianization of the peoples of eastern Armenia may have begun by about 400 BC, but a true Greater Armenia did not occur until about 90 BC with the reign of Tigran the Great.  It was sometime between these two dates when the Alarodians were completely assimilated by the Armenians.  The later classical geographers and historians no longer mention the Alarodians.
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Agree with the above except the fact that Greater Armenia was created by the Artaxiad Dynasty around 190 BC. Before that it was at times an Achaemenid tributary at other times it was a collection of un-unified, princely states.


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what is the origin of the armenians?Caucasian?or Indo-European?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2006 at 08:50
i read that they may have been related to the phrygians, though no doubt sharukin would confirm or deny.

so there was groups of pre I/E people in their history then?
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I haev a few colique and they are armenian.When they talk it s look like a language from onther world.very different and turkish armenians language is different than armenia homeland.they have also arabic and persian and tuekish words in their language.
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Originally posted by Alparslan1071 Alparslan1071 wrote:

I haev a few colique and they are armenian.When they talk it s look like a language from onther world.very different and turkish armenians language is different than armenia homeland.they have also arabic and persian and tuekish words in their language.


     Those Arabic and Turkish words are used in slang by Armenians who speak Turkish and Arabic. There are Armenian equivalents for every word, and the proper Armenian language has no borrowed words. I'm not saying there is no outside influence, but the words are not borrowed outright, thats just slang.

     The reason that many Armenians (in our parents' generation) can speak fluent Turkish is because their parents were born in the Ottoman Empire, and Turkish was used as a 2nd language in the house even after they were exiled to the middle east. And they know Arabic because of the countries they grew up in. Thats why you hear some Armenians using Turkish and Arabic words while they speak Armenian (Armenians in America for example, mix English words while speaking Armenian, Armenians in Armenia use Russian words, etc.). But all these words have their proper Armenian equivalent.

     For example, many Armenians use the word "zeitun' (olive), which is a Turkish word. But there is an Armenian equivalent for that word which no one uses (tsitabudough). Chojukh (child) is also used, but in proper Armenian its Yerekha. You'll hear Lebanese Armenians use the word yalla a lot, when in Armenian its haydeh. Chakhmakh (lighter) is widely used, but in proper Armenian its Loutski or Gaydzkar. Those are just some examples.

     Edit: haydeh is Turkish, in Armenian I guess it would be ari. See how confusing it can be for us Tongue


Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 30-Jun-2006 at 12:56
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bashibozuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 16:23
Quote  read that they may have been related to the phrygians
 
Armenians were actually some colony tribe of Phrygians, who are either descendents of some Thracian people or Mushki. But original Hayasa, who are also mentioned by Hittites (as Hittites said Euphrates was the border between them, Subasa (Sebastia/ Sivas) was the easternmost Hittite city which was raided by Hayasa sometimes.) So Armenians are probably a mixture of non-IE Urartu, Hayasa and IE Phrygian colonists, and maybe with some Caucasian or Iranian (and definately Semitic/Assyrian) influence since the earlier ages.


Edited by Bashibozuk - 30-Jun-2006 at 16:24
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Hastayim, derdime verem diyorlar,
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Thats why armenians call their selves .Hye and their country is Hayastan
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