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    Posted: 18-Dec-2005 at 20:28

It seems very likely that Bolivia's socialist presidential candidate Evo Morales is going to win that country's election. The success of Morales would most likely to be followed by another socialist victory in Chile led by the popular physician Michelle Bachelet in next month's electioin. In Peru, the left, led by Ollanta Humala, may also oust the conservative presidential woman candidate in the 2006 presidential elections. It seems the wave of socialism has become unstoppable in Latin America:

Venezuela: Hugo Chavez 

Brazil: Luiz Ignacio Lula da Silva

Argentina:  Nestor Kirchner

Uruguay: Tabare Vazquez

Paraguay: Nicanor Duarte

Ecuador: Lucio Gutierrez

The only exception to the rule: Columbia's "pro-Bush" Alvaro Uribe

How does one explain this remarkable political change taking place in Latin America? Dischantement with global capitalism? Make no mistake, though, that despite the socialist ideology espoused by these leaders, they are fundamentally capitalist to the core with a respect for the legal and constitutional framework established by capitalism itself. Maybe Latin American countries have finally been able to find a way unique to their socioeonomic and geopolitical realities to govern themselves and run their economies instead of transplanting American-style neo-liberalism to their soil.

George W. Bush's "prophetic statement" (which he made during this inauguration) that the 21st century would be the "Century of the Americas" may be taking a turn totally unexpected to him.

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Paraguayan government is considered right-wing, at least according to BBC. Ecuador is in a trasitional state and Lucio Gutiérrez has already been ousted by the left. Peru has also a center-right government.



Anyhow, it's normal: poor countries need socialist governments. Yet most of them are way too light and fragile, specially that of strategical Brazil, which, anyhow, is bound to become the most direct competitor with the USA in America.


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I think the end of the Cold War plays a role in this. For decades 'socialist' was associated with 'communist' and the Soviet Union. Now socialist has lost that negative connotiation more people are willing to vote for it. Also the end of the Cold War means that the US won't topple every government that is socialist, giving socialist governments a better chance to survive.
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excellent
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Don't get too worked up boys, we are still plenty rich enough.
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Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

So now would be a good time for me to ask for a loan.

Are you a good credit risk? 

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Evo Morales was celebrated on BBC tonight as the first ever Native American President of a South-American country. Is that really so?

And apparently he regards himself as "America's worst nightmare". There goes Maju's claim to fame down the drain.

Anyway, good luck to him, me thinks he and his country might need it!
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So President Morales feels (in Bolivia of all places) that he is Washington's Worst Nightmare.  Sounds like more Latin American political rhetoric.  That stuff plays well down there and is a sure bet to get you elected these days.

He is quite the socialist, pledging to respect private property, and his platform of dismantling drug initiatives (because they are Gringo programs) sounds like a major step forward in Latin American economic reform......we all know what happens with most of the coca crop after all. 

He is a politician.  Just like Chavez and all the rest.  Once you are entrenched in office, you spread out the pork and peddle the influence because you OWE someone.  It is not different in Bolivia, Kansas, China or Tory Spain than it is anywhere else.  We will all wait until the usual corruption oozes to the surface.

Rather than our nightmare, El Presidente Morales may turn out to be another one of those vague dreams that no one remembers.

 



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Originally posted by Komnenos Komnenos wrote:

Evo Morales was celebrated on BBC tonight as the first ever Native American President of a South-American country. Is that really so?

And apparently he regards himself as "America's worst nightmare". There goes Maju's claim to fame down the drain.

Anyway, good luck to him, me thinks he and his country might need it!


First native american president in America was Pres. Juarez back in 1857. Then Pres. Toledo few years ago in Peru.

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Well, Morales is planning to nationalize the oil. We did back in 1938. If Morales is able to carry on with the agenda in regards the oil, then Bolivia's economic situation could improve. Still, there are harsh negotiations with Chile to recover a port at the Pacific.
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Originally posted by Komnenos Komnenos wrote:

Evo Morales was celebrated on BBC tonight as the first ever Native American President of a South-American country. Is that really so?

Not totally: Chávez (Venezuela) and Toledo (Peru) are at least mestizos with heavy native blood. Anyhow he is the first one of his kind in Bolivia.



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