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    Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 19:27

Does anyone know how Ulama is played? and the history?

Pics-Google and Mexicodesconocido.com

I know it originated in Mexico and spread to Arizon and Mayaab but how is it played I really want to play it some day but I cant really take a  trip to Mexico right away These are some pics from Mazatlan and Sinaloa where they still play Ulama (tlachtli). We have to get this game into mainstream Mexican culture and Mayan culture again. How can we forget such a beautiful sport that was born in Mesoamerica? We need to get it organized and played professionaly.

 

  



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Hi Guys, heres a great website about the Ball Game

http://www.ballgame.org
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     Isn't it true that during the time of the Aztecs, this sport was used for human sacrificial purposes? I heard that just before the sacrifice, they used to play a game between 2 teams, and the winning team was sacrificed (because their blood was more "fit" or "superior" than the losers'). Is that true?
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Yes, its true that the Tachtli (Pok'a'pok in mayan) was practiced sometimes in ritual pourposes, but it was also practiced for fun and even to decide wars!

Itzocelotl, mexicans didnt invented the Tachtli...in fact the Olmecs did, and they exported to all mesoamerica years before mexicas even existed!

The pok'a'pok is played by 2 teams, with a rubber ball, and there is no reglamentary size...as i know the goal was to pass the ball in to the hoop by impulsing the ball with the hips and/or elbows...the game was calculated with points for each "goal"...here in Mayaab there are some places were they made pok'a'pok shows like Tulum and Xcaret.

I hope someday we can really get to play it professionally...



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Sorry what I meant to say was that it originated in Mexico with the Olmecs

But anyways have you played before Yum? I bet we Mexico will always beat  Mayaab in Ulama!-just kidding!-Mas estava jugando!-Una Broma! no te nojes amigo!



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So the point was to hit it thorugh a gole? their was 2 goles?  and the gole was high on the wall?
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Well...as i said, the pok'a'pok hadnt any reglamentary sizes..so around all Mesoamerica you may find lots of different types of courts and hoops...the only thing was always the same was the number of hoops and the form of the court..

I hadnt played pok'a'pok because here arent places to learn the game...

The places where they still play it are in the north Mxico, and there are lots of variants...

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Originally posted by ITZOCELOTL ITZOCELOTL wrote:

I bet we Mexico will always beat  Mayaab in Ulama!-just kidding!

That just gave me a wonderful idea!! Imagine a videogame like FIFA, but instead of football you play pok'a'pok! Then you can play using or against Mayan team, Aztec team, Zapotec team, Mixtec team, etc...and for each culture you can play like "national leagues", so you can play with or against (for example: in the "Aztec league") the Tlalc team, the Huitzilopochtli team, the Ometeotl team, etc...

Man! it would be so cool!!!....if i saw a game like this out there i'll buy it right the way!!!



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Zimon! Mexico VS Mayaab

Mayaab VS Zapotec

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Yeah dude! Then we will see who's the best in pok'a'pok!! Jajaja...that would be very cool...

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Going back to Armenian Survival question.
It is more complex than that.
The Olmecs performed the first sport by team recorded in world history. The defeated team was sacrified , not as a punishment, or being " inferiors" on the game, but motivated by the mesoamerican cosmogony about the eternal debt from the human beings towards to Gods, due the Universe was created and substained thanks to the sacrifice of the Gods in first place.

   Aztecs did played the Ball Game merely for sport, not related to human sacrifice. It became so popular that regular macehaultzin and the high societity used to cross bets on the final outcome of the game.

Olmecs, Teotihuacans and Mayas did played the game for religious purposes.

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