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Quote BAGHDAD (Reuters) - An Australian television station broadcast previously unpublished images on Wednesday of apparent abuse of prisoners at the U.S.-run     Abu Ghraib prison, outraging Iraqis who said American troops must leave. 
 
The Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" current affairs program said the images were recorded at the same time as the now-infamous pictures of U.S. soldiers abusing Abu Ghraib detainees which sparked international outrage in 2004.

Some of the newly broadcast pictures suggest further abuse such as killing, torture and sexual humiliation, Dateline said.

The grainy, still photographs and video images show prisoners, some bleeding or hooded, bound to beds and doors, sometimes with a smiling American guard beside them.

They include two naked men handcuffed together, a pile of five naked detainees photographed from the rear, and a dog straining at a leash close to the face of a crouching man wearing a bright orange jumpsuit.

The images were swiftly re-broadcast by Arab satellite television stations and several news organizations, including American ABC News television, showed them on their Web sites.

They stirred up more anger among Arabs, already incensed by the publication on Sunday of images of British soldiers apparently beating Iraqi youths and by cartoons satirizing the Prophet Mohammad printed in European papers this month.

"The new pictures reignited the long-running pain that started with the occupation of     Iraq. It angered me deeply, stabbed me in the heart to see my people paying for no reasonable reason," said Iraqi teacher Hanan Adeeb, 34.

"What hurts me more is for the world to see us tortured in this way without blinking an eye. When I see this I understand why people think the only way to get Iraq out of this dilemma is to send the Americans away no matter how."

 


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little wonder why they wanted to keep these ones under wraps..
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June 11, 2004
The Abu Ghraib Prison Photos

More Photos Surface (updated June 11) (Warning: Graphic Photos Below)

The Washington Post has released new photos along with new information about the use of dogs on prisoners.

An unmuzzled dog appears to be used to frighten a detainee at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
Two military dog handlers told investigators that intelligence
personnel ordered them to use dogs to intimidate prisoners.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abughraib2.jpgAn Iraqi detainee appears to be restrained after havign suffered injuries to both legs at Abu Ghraib.
It is unclear whether his injuries were from dog bites.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abughraib3.jpgA US soldier gives the "thumbs up" sign as she appears to be stiching up a prisoner's leg wound.
It is unclear whether the injury was from a dog bite.

The Washington Post just released new photos (May 20), seen below.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/new-toture3.jpgA baton-wielding US soldier, appears to be ordering a naked detainee
covered in a "brown substance" to walk a straight line with his ankles handcuffed.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/new-toture6.jpgA US Soldier in a flak jacket appears to be using both hands
to restrain a dog facing an Iraqi detainee in the Abu Ghraib prison.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/new-toture5.jpgIn what appears to be a hallway, a hooded detainee,
seems to be handcuffed in an awkward position atop two boxes.
The frame seems to show the prisoner's ankle cuffed to the door handle behind him.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/new-toture4.jpgAn unidentified soldier appears to be kneeling on naked detainees
in a photo from the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/new-toture2.jpgA US soldier with his right arm and fist cocked appears
prepared to strike one detainee in a pile of detainees.
http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/new-toture1.jpgAlong a prison walkway, a hooded detainee seems to have
collapsed with his wrists handcuffed to the railings.

May 19

ABC News has obtained two new photos taken at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq showing Spc. Charles Graner and Spc. Sabrina Harmon posing over the body of a detainee who was allegedly beaten to death by CIA or civilian interrogators in the prison's showers. The detainee's name was Manadel al-Jamadi. Mark Rothschild writes about the details of this poor man's death.http://www.antiwar.com/rothschild/?articleid=2615

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May 9: The New Yorker has released this latest photo.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/dogs2.jpgAn Iraqi prisoner and American military dog handlers. Other photographs show the Iraqi on the ground, bleeding.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abuse1.jpg

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abuse2.jpg

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abuse3.jpg

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abuse4.jpg

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abuse5.jpg

It¡¯s the "liberation" of the Iraqi people ¨C and it isn¡¯t pretty¡­

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These are just some of the photos that led to an investigation into conditions at the Abu Ghraib prison, once Saddam¡¯s torture palace, and now run by the occupation authorities, as revealed in a shocking report broadcast by CBS on 60 Minutes II.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture3.jpgBrig. Gen. Janice Karpinski, in charge of the occupiers¡¯ detention facilities throughout Iraq, has been dismissed from her post, and 6 U.S. soldiers face charges.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture2.jpg

"This is international standards," said Karpinski, in an earlier interview with CBS. "It's the best care available in a prison facility."

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture4.jpg

Anybody can see that¡­.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture5.jpg

Below, Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, who was responsible for military jails in Iraq, and has now been suspended in the abuse probe, meets with Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/karpinski-rummy.jpg

And even more disturbing screen shots made available from Global Free Press via TheMemoryHolehttp://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture7.jpg

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture10.jpg

These images are from the 60 Minutes II broadcast. CBS says that it has twelve of these photographs, though there are dozens more. Among them:

The Army has photographs that show a detainee with wires attached to his genitals. Another shows a dog attacking an Iraqi prisoner.

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture11.jpg

http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture12.jpg

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http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torta.jpg

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For those of you with a morbid curiosity to watch the SBS report, here it is in its entirity (13 minutes): http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2698483

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I love it how the media networks will not show the faces of Mohammed in the cartoons when they are covering the story, saying it will "fan the flames" of the extremist rioting, but at the same time are quite willing to show every single "abuse" photo they can get their grubby mitts on. 

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If a govt is reflection of its people. Then we have seen the ugly face of america. I cant believe there are no mass protest by the free, freedom loving american against their govts doing the world over.

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No this is worth getting really really angry over
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Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Byzantine Emperor wrote:

I love it how the media networks will not show the faces of Mohammed in the cartoons when they are covering the story, saying it will "fan the flames" of the extremist rioting, but at the same time are quite willing to show every single "abuse" photo they can get their grubby mitts on. 

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Yawn, were the individuals involved not already punished?
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Originally posted by Mixcoatl Mixcoatl wrote:

"If you don't like the message, blame the messenger"

Thanks for the witticism.  Furthermore, I can't stand most of the "messengers'" messages and I do blame them failing to report the news as news without using it for their propaganda campaign.  So what's your point?  I have always had no reservations in amplifying my disgust at the American media.

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What should they do then? Keep it under the table?
Why should the media report only atrocities committed by others on Americans and not the other way around?
People who claim this is all propaganda probably only care because it is propaganda for the other side. If the media blows a terrorist threat way out of proportion they don't have a problem with such propaganda.
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These came from the same time line as the others. Twenty five officers and soldiers have all recieved some kind of punishment depending on how far their involvement was. The investigation was done to see how far up in the military ranks it went, even Donald Rumsfield was investigated. 

About there being protests, there have been protests from the beginning of the war. Do you honestly belive Cindy Shehan has stopped her protesting? They aren't shown on the news because they don't break things, they aren't violent, and there is nothing to make news off of it so you won't hear about them.

My opinion, it's very disgusting. I'm glad this isn't something that the US military supports. And no Malizai, Americans don't support this thing. There are hundreds of groups in the US that complain and file lawsuits against the gov't for numerous reasons. I mean, there's even a group that filed a lawsuit on the US government for enviromental reasons just recently. We are very free minded people, we are individuals, and we all have our own personal opinions on politics. There's no way you could say we all agree with this.

A good example, look at all the Americans on this message board, we all very on our politics and we are always disagreeing on how things should be done.



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Originally posted by cattus cattus wrote:

Yawn, were the individuals involved not already punished?

No apparently these pictures (and videos) have incriminated a few more people, lawyers are examining them. 

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I wish there was a way to know if these people will do such things before we send them over.
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Originally posted by cattus cattus wrote:

Yawn, were the individuals involved not already punished?


Yes, but the leadership that encouraged this behavior still hasn't faced any accountability.
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Originally posted by Ahmed the Fighter Ahmed the Fighter wrote:


The Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" current affairs program

George Negus has become very bold since Howard passed the anti-terror laws. Thats the second major anti-american story he has broken. I'm surprised little jonnie howard hasn't tried to shut dateline down, or at least silence it.
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There is alot of media here that criticizes the government and the war, there is no way they could shut down any of the news outlets.

Though recently I found out why Fox news supports Bush so much. The Director of the news proudcasts at Fox news is President Bush's cousin.

Originally posted by Hugoestr Hugoestr wrote:

Yes, but the leadership that encouraged this behavior still hasn't faced any accountability.

I don't really think the incident had gotten to far out. It was a isolated incident, and it was investigated. This is something the US would not want to do, and there was no reason for it. This was a incident done by animals who thought toying with helpless prisoners would give them a good time. There was nothing political about it, it was just a sad incident done by a bunch of idiots.

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The pictures are gruesome.  America should be ashamed of itself.

I don't think the world will ever forgive or forget this.


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Originally posted by Mira Mira wrote:

I don't think the world will ever forgive or forget this.

We have a saying in Arabic that can be translated as: Now that you have a piece of mind of no punishment, you mischieved.

Who will punish the United States for this anyhow?

But I have to admit at least that the American system is far way better than most of world systems. At least once these photos are shown, some prosecution is followed. In some incidence, Americans are the one who would take the stand to show the photos for the first time (ex. the famous video of the killing of an unarmed injured civlian in the Fallujah mosque)

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