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    Posted: 07-Jun-2009 at 03:35
Interesting research. Thanks for the heads up letting me know where to find it.

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Genetic legacy left behind by Huns in Germany, Greece, Russia, Swiss-German and Swiss peoples in general ?

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/05/supplement-on-global-distribution-of.html?showComment=1241270820000

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I've heard a bit about the DNA project but I can't speak to its accuracy. I would be interested in having the DNA tests although my biggest curiosity lies with my mtDNA because I want more answers regarding the maternal side of my family as it is the most difficult to trace through regular genealogy channels due to the fact that I am only one generation removed from an unmixed Native American Indian ancestor if you will. My maternal grandmother was half Cherokee (Eastern band) from her father and half Arapaho Indian from her mother this making my grams half of each - again, putting me one generation removed from a full-blooded line though with mixed Indian heritage then two generations from a full-blooded line without the mixed Indian bands.

My father's family is also Cherokee; however, the line itself began with two brothers from Ireland coming to the US in the 1600s. They married Cherokee wives. Many of their descendants continued marrying within the Cherokee ethnic group yet still the last name brought over by the brothers in the 1600s still exists today. My younger brother was the last to have the name; however, he has three sons now so the name will continue. I only wish there were more Potters from my mother's family even if there is a high probability that it was a given name as the result of their trade (actually a tradition of making pottery passed from one generation to the next which is how I learned to make pottery) and then when the Native Americans not living on reservations were included in the first census records post 1860, my family ancestors show up on the records for the first time despite having lived in the area for many generations though in no public government records but they are in a few local, though non-governmental records.

I find it a shame I cannot trace my mother's family more than 4 generations back on paper, mostly death records since few birth records if any existed until my mother's generation.

If i thought DNA would give me the answers, it might be worth the cost incurred but I am not yet convinced beyond major doubts.

The tie-in to the Mongolians is information also found in medical research with regards to autoimmune diseases. Many of the women yet a great number of the men in my family on both paternal and maternal sides have some form of autoimmune disease. I was the second of my generation to be diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. I actually have two, SLE (form of lupus ) and Sjogren's disease whereas an older cousin has juvenile crippling RA, and in the last few years 2 others tested positive for autoimmune disease, and one other is still in the testing phase but should now in the next few months.

Out of some 1.5 million people with lupus, research shows the numbers to be highest among people with Native American Indian and Asian ancestry and also African ancestry though I must question if some of this could also be result of intermarrying between Native Americans and freed slaves since both were considered outcasts.

The research certainly bears out with the ethnic angle/genetic/heriditery angle as far as it relates to my family. I hoped perhaps with my father's Irish rootst that maybe I would be able to bypass the gene but it wasn't meant to be. My husband is of European descent. It's not giving me high numbers of probability but I do hope there are enough of their father's genes to stop them from having active autoimmune disease of any variety.
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They might have dispersed into their outnumbering locals after losing their own cultural identity. The actual leaders of the Hun federation, and, the original Huns from Central Asia may have been few relative to the number of locals they led.
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Some of Huns settled in Europe.For example;HUNgaries was Hun Nation.

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According to my knowledge, after the Battle of Nedao, the Huns (then more or less united even after Attila's death) split into different confederations, the Altyn Oba Horde, and later the Kutrigurs and Utigurs (who became known as the Bulgars later in history I believe).
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I think they mostly settled in the regio of Hungary.
Dont forget they were not an ethnic homogenic tribe when they were in Hungary, but putting that aside Hungarians can claim theyre descendants of the Huns.
If you feel Hunnic, you are Hunnic, nobody can change that.

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for me it looks different. Believe me i live here and i seen many magyars and slavs in my life. I can make difference. i understand its hard for foreginers. Huns and magyars were way more large group of ppl then slavs.
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Hungarians seem very slavic to me...no offense.
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Originally posted by Bosniathebestcountry Bosniathebestcountry wrote:

ive also heards that the avars were responsible for the movement of serbs and croats towards the south and  have also merged with the slavs. the magyars then came afterwards and settled where the avars were now in the present day hungary seperating us from the russians, the poles, the checzks, plus the germanzition of austria where there used to be a slavic country. And the westerners were so scared of the huns that whoever came from the east they thought it was them. But magyars and huns i think are two completely different tribes. the english call it hungary while we bosnians serbs croats call them Madjarska. How do you hungarians call your country?


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Originally posted by Socrates Socrates wrote:

Originally posted by Bosniathebestcountry Bosniathebestcountry wrote:

ive also heards that the avars were responsible for the movement of serbs and croats towards the south and  have also merged with the slavs. the magyars then came afterwards and settled where the avars were now in the present day hungary seperating us from the russians, the poles, the checzks, plus the germanzition of austria where there used to be a slavic country. And the westerners were so scared of the huns that whoever came from the east they thought it was them. But magyars and huns i think are two completely different tribes. the english call it hungary while we bosnians serbs croats call them Madjarska. How do you hungarians call your country?

Btw, Magyars r  mostly slavic genetically,since as u said there was a lot of slavs living in todays hungary before Magyars came.Infact, they're more slavic then we are.




Magyars have low % of slavic blood. Stop this stereotypes. Slavs were in little number in hungary before the magyars came backk to their homeland. Scytians, avars, huns, siculi, vandals, goths lived there. Slavs were mostly shepards and pastors on the Balcans, No offense, but slavs got writigns skills just in the late 10th century..
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Originally posted by Turkoglu Turkoglu wrote:

The word derives from the old Slavic word ǫg(ъr- for the proto-Magyars. Through Germanic languages, the word got into other European languages ((H)ungarus, (H)ungarn, Vengry etc.). The Slavic word is thought to be derived from the Bulgaro-Turkic Onogur, possibly because the proto-Magyars were neighbours (or confederates) of the Empire of the Onogurs in the 6th century, whose leading tribal union was called the "Onogurs" (meaning "ten tribes").

The H- in many languages (Hungarians, Hongrois, Hungarus etc.) is a later addition. It was taken over from the word "Huns", which was a similar semi-nomadic tribe living some 400 years earlier in present-day Hungary and having a similar way of life (or according to the older theories the people from which the Magyars arose). In ancient times, through the middle ages, and even today, the identification of Hungarians with the Huns has often occurred in history and literature, however this identification began to be disputed around the late 19th century, and is still a source of major controversy among scholars who insist that there could be no direct connection between the two.

Hun names like Attila and R�ka are still popular among Hungarians, and forms derived from Latin Hungaria are used like in the racetrack Hungaroring (mostly due to the strong English language pressure in tourism and international matters).

Magyar is today simply the Hungarian word for Hungarian. In English and many other languages, however, Magyar is used instead of Hungarian in certain (mainly historical) contexts, usually to distinguish ethnic Hungarians (i.e. the Magyars) from the other nationalities living in the Hungarian kingdom.


Magyar is not just an ethnic, but amagyar is also a language! Ther are huns who speak magyar, and there are magyars who speak magyar.
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Every hungarian chronicle writes down clearly the Arpad is the 5 th descendant of Attila's bloodline.

After the death of Attila,,yes he sons were fighting over teh control, but noone could keep it in strong hands. the unity failed, but the huns didnt dissaper. some moved back to eurasian stepeps, some stayed in Transylvania and the Carpathian basin.
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YES man,i described how they look.
Thes two girls i saw were completly diferent,one-Anita- was dark skined(brown and yellow),the other-the TV girl-was white.Both very woman like,large female atributes(yeah,but im not jokeing).About 160-165cm(the tv girl i can just guess).
Very,very large EYES.
When you see a woman like that you stopand ask yourself,is she beautiful or ugly?Then you get it- she looks like a real woman,not that nonsens fashon skiny everyday woman you see.
So its not strange the Huns were so good wariors,when you have a woman like that you want to keep her!Oh man i cant explane..............
Once again YES i saw them.
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So "Death" you wanna say all the time that you saw a "Hun" in real life? And believe in their existents?
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Huns are  an old civilization.
The question is what hapened to them.
I placed my view on this potic on a wrong bord but here it goes again:
My father and uncle(Hungarians-Magyarok) teased me when i was young that one day i would/or would be involved with a girl that has eyes as big as apples.Saying this they would take a fist and metaphore it as one eye so you get the idea on how big that eye is.
Further,i saw only two girls in my life(25y/o) that match that description.I saw one on Hungarian television singing in a folk ansamble and the other while i was studying in Belgrade(Serbia).The other one i saw in real life and i know that her name is Anita ,a comon Magyar(Hungarian) even a Slavic or other name.This girl i saw is Hun defenitly(not magyar or serb or whatever)
So this was the briefing on HOW TO SPOT A HUN,...lol
I could go on and on about , as i call it, that specific kind of beauty but
 for now lett me asure you that Huns do exsist and if you saw them you would be sure of that. These girls dont look "normal" by any standard,be it Europian or Asian.Very beautiful but degustibus non est desputandum.
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where were the Huns from?

i'm from mongolia.

Of course Attilas Huns were part of Mongolian first empire named by Hun (hunnu).

In my oppinion  because of  encient Mongolians nomadic civilization, sometimes the mongolians stepped into Hungary .I heard that Mongolia and Hungary have almost same wheather. After the Hunnu's defeat, some of them traveled and fought till Hungary.

 

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Yeah, but there is a big connenction between the two. In some countries more than others though. Like for example, an african-american speaks english but in no way is he genetically english.
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Originally posted by Bosniathebestcountry Bosniathebestcountry wrote:

Genetic maps....what are those, can you show those?

English people id say are germanic-celtic.... are they not?



What's that? What's the genetics of "Germanic-Celtic"?

Those are just linguistic groups. There's no such thing as a Germanic, Celtic or Latin genetics. Nor there's a Slavic genetics either.

Genetics is a complex matter that must be taken with care but I bet you that languages and identities move a lot faster than genes normally.

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I cannot find one.I've been searching for some time, but nothing.Try on this forum.

English people id say are germanic-celtic.... are they not? They r Germanics (genetically) as we r Slavs

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