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    Posted: 18-Jul-2005 at 03:37

Originally posted by Agema Agema wrote:

Well if this guy is a general somebody shoot me, this is the first time i have heard that Bulgarians are Slavs, i thought they were a Mongolid(Tatar) people who spoke a Mongolian language not a Slavic dialect,

Bulgarians are Slavs and speak a Slavic dialect, almost identical to Slavomacedonian! Where did you come from, Mars? (unless if you reffer to ancient Bulgarians, in which case this is the truth)

Btw, if you people think I'll let this become another Greek-Fyrom fight, you're wrong! Topic closed until you cool up. Same will hapen to the rest of the threads which head this way!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2005 at 03:23

Sir, u have two posts and your telling me how to do it?  

I'll take your adice bey albo

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2005 at 03:12

Strategos wrote: "Hrm, slavic language and slightly changed writing from Bulgarian.. Been genetically proven that you are a slavic people, very much Bulgairan.. but you deny you are slavic?"

 "The historic truth is that the Slavs descented into the region not before the 6th century long after ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece. They don't have any historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia and they would be realy foolish if they officialy claimed that they did. There is no historic or archaeological evidence connecting them with ancient Macedonia."

Well if this guy is a general somebody shoot me, this is the first time i have heard that Bulgarians are Slavs, i thought they were a Mongolid(Tatar) people who spoke a Mongolian language not a Slavic dialect, a if we are speaking of Slavs, Slavic tribes settled all across the Balkans from Romania to the tip of the Peloponessus and including the island of Kriti and parts of Western Turkey,if modern day Greeks (Romii) think they are descendants of ancient Hellenes they should think twice, who denying there roots here, and why are there mentioning of FYROM, SKOPIANS and SLAVS in this topic which is " A MACEDONIAN VILLAGE IN IRAN ". How about some serious descusions here...........and one other thing

"Iskender Bey ALBO" stop sucking up...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2005 at 02:33
Strategos, word of advice. People like him quiet down faster when their crap is ignored. If people choose not to aknowledge the post, the poster cannot follow up. This should obviously be done in a rational sense though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2005 at 23:33

Hrm, slavic language and slightly changed writing from Bulgarian.. Been genetically proven that you are a slavic people, very much Bulgairan.. but you deny you are slavic?

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
(from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )

"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)."
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)

The historic truth is that the Slavs descented into the region not before the 6th century long after ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece. They don't have any historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia and they would be realy foolish if they officialy claimed that they did. There is no historic or archaeological evidence connecting them with ancient Macedonia.

I've heard alot, but not FYROMians denying their slavic roots!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2005 at 20:47

Originally posted by strategos strategos wrote:

So you are telling me you are not of slavic origin, and the FYROM is not slavic?

ofcaurse Im not. If I have a slavic origin then I have roman, turkish and bulgarian as well. All those civilizations had conquired Macedonia through centuries and all of them left a mark of their presence

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2005 at 10:23
Originally posted by Harry Potter Harry Potter wrote:

Originally posted by Aeolus Aeolus wrote:

Gosh thank you for the good laugh my FYROMIAN friend...and btw one question...your ancestors Slavs, in Alexander's army what role they had?

I failed to find anything mention them.

who cares for the slavs? r any slavs here? why r u bringing up this slav thing when we have no slavs?

Tsk tsk Fyromski are you denying your roots??

Quote Ofcaurse that the slavs werent in Alexander's army and the most important, the slavs r not ancestors of the Macedonians!!!!

Fyromski, it seems u should stop whatever drugs u r into asap. It doesnt help u a bit as u see. Noone till now claimed slavs are the ancestors of Macedonians but some funny characters do claim that Slavs are the descendants of Macedonians.

A mathematician is a person who thinks that if there are supposed to be three people in a room, but five come out, then two more must enter the room in order for it to be empty.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2005 at 01:23
Originally posted by Harry Potter Harry Potter wrote:

Originally posted by Aeolus Aeolus wrote:

Gosh thank you for the good laugh my FYROMIAN friend...and btw one question...your ancestors Slavs, in Alexander's army what role they had?

I failed to find anything mention them.

who cares for the slavs? r any slavs here? why r u bringing up this slav thing when we have no slavs?

Ofcaurse that the slavs werent in Alexander's army and the most important, the slavs r not ancestors of the Macedonians!!!!

So you are telling me you are not of slavic origin, and the FYROM is not slavic?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jul-2005 at 23:10
Originally posted by Aeolus Aeolus wrote:

Gosh thank you for the good laugh my FYROMIAN friend...and btw one question...your ancestors Slavs, in Alexander's army what role they had?

I failed to find anything mention them.

who cares for the slavs? r any slavs here? why r u bringing up this slav thing when we have no slavs?

Ofcaurse that the slavs werent in Alexander's army and the most important, the slavs r not ancestors of the Macedonians!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jul-2005 at 23:05

hi,

a friend told me abouth this forum and topic and... wow, Im amazed. I remember few years ago it was on the news about some people in Afganistan who claimed to be Macedonians, it was in all newspapers here in Macedonia. Now u say in Iran there r Macedonians too. Great!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2005 at 17:38
The Kalash speak an Iranic dialect, I think the possibility that they were Iranian auxiliaries in Alexanders army is more feasible than them being simply Macedonian Greeks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 07:21
Originally posted by Istor the Macedonian Istor the Macedonian wrote:

Dear Cassandra, how do you know about Kalash pronounciation? What is the source ?

It is written in several books about Kalash and Kafirs. There have been a few British expeditions for military purposes in the region of Kafiristan as we learn from Britanicca Encyclopedia of 1911.

First one was under the commandment of colonel Lockhart in 1885 but it failed. The second one, and most famous, was under the leadership of Sir George Robertson (year is dubious...most sources claim 1889/90) whom his informations are the best source about Kafirs. He noticed many similarities between the customs and the language of Kafirs with the ancient Greeks.

They call the 'lamb'  ameo---> (greek amnos), 'tunic'  is called heo---> (gr heton), 'name' is called nom---> (gr onoma), 'blood' is called ema---> (gr ema).

Their most important celebration is Kaomo which reminds Dionysiac Komo. Their language is a mixture of Sanscritic, Persian and old Greek.

Their customs remain the same through ages, having great similarities with ancient Greek customs, even in the woship of their gods who have identical names to ancient greek 12 gods. (Dias-Zeus ---> Di Zau, Aphrodite ----> Frodait, Satiros ---> Sagirkos)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 05:12

Alexander,

There are about 2.5 million Macedonian people living in Macedonia ( not FYROPM). We speak, learn, tech and write our Macedonian (Greek ) dialect and we have many-many Macedonian unions, groups, associations, teams ..... and we are proud to declare Macedonians. What are you talking about ?? What is the language we deny to hear ?

Do you, by any chance, call that SlavoSkopian language, the known Bulgarian dialect, as Macedonian ?? Yes? Are you kidding my chum ? What is Macedonian about it ??

Dear Cassandra, how do you know about Kalash pronounciation? What is the source ?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 04:49

Btw you missed to reply to my question, what do your brethrens Slavs have to do with Ancient Macedonians and Alexander??

If its a hard question for you, let me know to help you a bit, discovering your Slavic ancestors roots.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 04:46

Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon Alexander of Macedon wrote:

Yeah I know that it's funny ,then why you were so afraid of showing a documentary about the Macedonians in Aegean part of Macedonia ,called by you FOPOGians Greek Macedonia.Why are you scared from existing a Macedonian people you think that you are fighting to show was the nationality of Alexander The Great,you are scared from losing "Greek" Macedonia.

What is more funny is the fact that every now and then, a Slavo-skopian wannabe will visit A.E just to  spread his petty propagandistic agenda.

Obviously you are the greatest proof of it, if someone looks at your posts. In just 4 posts you proved that your ignorance about history is Encyclopedic, you have serious problems of rationality and you are trying to inflame topics just to fulfil your political propaganda.

This is something anyone can notice from the irrelevant changing of the topic's subject to province of Macedonia in Greece.

Continue to entertain us!!! Seems that its the only thing you are good on it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2005 at 02:15

Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon Alexander of Macedon wrote:

Yeah I know that it's funny ,then why you were so afraid of showing a documentary about the Macedonians in Aegean part of Macedonia ,called by you FOPOGians Greek Macedonia.Why are you scared from existing a Macedonian people you think that you are fighting to show was the nationality of Alexander The Great,you are scared from losing "Greek" Macedonia.

For ur info , a political party of SlavoMacedonians , participated in the elections .It was called "Rainbow" or something like that...it took 4.000 votes ...is this the population with wich u will "take" Macedonia ?? Or u r counting the Albanians too ??

There is no fighting about Alexander .... He was speaking Greek , he was writing in Greek , hw worshiped Greek gods , well u can call him an Eskimo  if u like , but he was definitely Greek , from all points of view..

All in all ur post in uncomprehensible and full of trash...

Give the guy a lollipop and suggest him that its better to suck this and not his finger....

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Yeah I know that it's funny ,then why you were so afraid of showing a documentary about the Macedonians in Aegean part of Macedonia ,called by you FOPOGians Greek Macedonia.Why are you scared from existing a Macedonian people you think that you are fighting to show was the nationality of Alexander The Great,you are scared from losing "Greek" Macedonia.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 16:17
Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon Alexander of Macedon wrote:

I don't know i've never been there to speak with them but it's possible that the peoples of that village are decendants of the greeks who were in Macedonian Army(as a hostages) and settled in todays Afghanistan to don't uprise against Macedonia and Macedonians.

Come on, you participate in a history forum, you are allegedly a historian, and you come with an childish argument which is unworthy of anyone here to pay attention to it. At least use common sense.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 16:06
Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon Alexander of Macedon wrote:

Very interesting,i've heard to that same vilage where the peoples claming that they are Macedonians(not greeks) exist and on the territory of Afghanistan.

Kalash and Kafirs are claiming descedants of five soldiers of Alexander the Great and their customs are undoubtly similar to Ancient Greeks.

Their celebrations have Bacchic elements and their most important celebration is Balomain (Apollo). In other words they combine Dionysiac with Apollonian elements.

Acoustically their speech remind mediteranean dialect and sounds differently from the "heavy" Centro-Asiatic Turanic dialects. They pronounce clearly the consonants (â = b), (è = th), (ñ = r) (ö = f) and (÷ = x) just like in Greece and unlike Slavs who cant.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Apr-2005 at 03:26
Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon Alexander of Macedon wrote:

I don't know i've never been there to speak with them but it's possible that the peoples of that village are decendants of the greeks who were in Macedonian Army(as a hostages) and settled in todays Afghanistan to don't uprise against Macedonia and Macedonians.

I love these poor Slavic wannabe's and their unique (but quite funny) interpretation of history.

So greeks were hostages in Alexander's army? I guess we have all heard quite many cases where a king appoint rulers in most of his conquered regions from...his hostages!!!

Gosh thank you for the good laugh my FYROMIAN friend...and btw one question...your ancestors Slavs, in Alexander's army what role they had?

I failed to find anything mention them.



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