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    Posted: 30-May-2009 at 16:27
Originally posted by evilbu evilbu wrote:

This is interesting, I did not know of any Armenian presence in Cyprus. Although it does not surprise, since Armenians have lived (and live) also on the southern coast of Turkey, Lebanon, Bethlehem,.....


Yes, there are Armenians in Cyprus ofcourse and the reason is the one you mentioned. Smile
 
Originally posted by evilbu evilbu wrote:

Concerning the Greeks in Egypt.. is there a sense of "revanchism"?  I mean, if we consider Alexander the Great and his generals as Greeks, they pretty much ruled over Egypt for several countries. I read that a small Greek population lived in Egypt (about one percent), ruling over the others, and that Cleopatra was the first (and last..) of the dynasty who bothered to learn the language (Egyptian).


I know some Egyptians living here. I've never felt that at all. Even people i know that went to Egypt, the egyptians were exclusively warm to them because they were Greeks. Besides, if there was a problem i don't think the entrace to Alexandria would be in Arabic & Greek.





As for Cleopatra & co, they did not rule much different than any other Egyptian Pharaoh to make a difference. Their role was their same, making ethnicity irrelevant.

I don't know in detail what flew inside Nasser and if revanchism was his idea, but one person cannot stigmatize a whole nation and a 4 millenia of mutual relations.


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Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

Historically speaking, we count count Greece - Armenia - Cyprus. Both Greeks and Greek Cypriots have been neighbouring with Armenians (even sharing villages). According to Strabo the Thessalian Greeks were kinsmen of the Armenians in their distant past, since Armenus, the founder of Armenia was from Armenion in Thessaly.

Also...Greeks & Georgians. Historically speaking Georgians were sharing with Anatolian Greeks the same Kindom (Pontus).

Cypriots can be paired with Lebanese and Syrians. All of them have noticeable communities in each others countries.
This is interesting, I did not know of any Armenian presence in Cyprus. Although it does not surprise me, since Armenians have lived (and live) also on the southern coast of Turkey, Lebanon, Bethlehem,.....
 
 
Concerning the Greeks in Egypt.. is there a sense of "revanchism"?  I mean, if we consider Alexander the Great and his generals as Greeks, they pretty much ruled over Egypt for several centuries. I read that a small Greek population lived in Egypt (about one percent), ruling over the others, and that Cleopatra was the first (and last..) of the dynasty who bothered to learn the language (Egyptian).
 
What about Sudan and Egypt?  It used to be one country, Sadat was in fact half-Sudanese.. on the other hand they use the same river (the Nile) which often leads to trouble. Are there border disputes?  And what about the Camp David Accords, did Sudan agree with Egypt being kicked out of the Arab League?


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Historically speaking, we count count Greece - Armenia - Cyprus. Both Greeks and Greek Cypriots have been neighbouring with Armenians (even sharing villages). According to Strabo the Thessalian Greeks were kinsmen of the Armenians in their distant past, since Armenus, the founder of Armenia was from Armenion in Thessaly.

Also...Greeks & Georgians. Historically speaking Georgians were sharing with Anatolian Greeks the same Kindom (Pontus).

Cypriots can be paired with Lebanese and Syrians. All of them have noticeable communities in each others countries.


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I would say Greece and Egypt.

Egypt is counted as a neighbour of Greece because both countries share sea borders. Historically both had friendly contacts with each other. Egyptian is the first ethnonym ever mentioned in Greek language. The Greeks traded with the Egyptians and exchanged knowledge. Greeks had their own city in Egypt. One of the major cities of Greece was named after an Egyptian one. One of the largest Greek communities was in Egypt and it is the longest surviving. Until the first half of the 20th century Egypt had the largest Greek community. There have been Egyptians living in Greece since day 0. There's a big number of Greco-Egyptians in both countries, so big that one wouldn't even imagine. The Byzantines supported the large population of Konstantinoupolis (in it's wealthy days) with the help of Egyptian imports. Old Greek heroes/tribal leaders make triumphic return from Egypt.

There are so many things to mention...The only negative event in the last 4000 years in the Nasser regime, but nobody really takes that personal.


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Here's my list:
 
Estonia and Finland (technically not bordering though)
Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia (I'm thinking of the Baltic way)
Belarus and Russia (well, I don't think any other former Soviet state has better relations with Russia)
Serbia and Montenegro (although they split in 2006)
Romania and Moldova (although I might be wrong here)
Turkey and Azerbaidzjan
India and Nepal (not sure?)
Laos and Vietnam (although I've also read that some people resent domination by Vietnamese, just as in Cambodia)
Peru and Bolivia (although it seems some people in Bolivia expect Peru to give them some of their coast because Chile ran off with it...)
Germany and Austria (not sure?)
Albania and Kosovo (that is if you recognize Kosovo)
Bulgaria and Macedonia (probably somewhat ambiguous)
Armenia and Russia (not really bordering though...)
 
also: the Benelux: Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg. Especially the Flemish region( where I live) has all in all good relations with the Netherlands. The Flemish government and the Dutch government have set up the Dutch language union to work together to regulate the Dutch language, an international organization which is pretty much unique in this aspect.
 
 
 
 
 
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Turkey and Greece have been good neighbours at all time :)
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Originally posted by AL_C0 AL_C0 wrote:

I am curious what the Spanish and Portuguese think of each other... i imagine that there are many cases of cross border raids on chicken coops which may inevitably lead to war....


Apart from fantastical intentions of Francisco Franco during the Second World War, there has never been much belligerence between Portugal and Spain after Portugal broke off from Spain in the 17th century.  I know that Portugal did build a number of strong castles along the Spanish border, indicating that there was some threat of invasion, and of course Wellington used Portugal as his means of getting into Spain, but apart from that the history of Portuguese-Spanish relations has more or less been stable.
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Well, the Vatican and the Italian state have had some pretty strained relations in the beginning (in the 19th century, that is).
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Would the Irish and Scots count?

The Vatican & the Italian state.

Spain and Portugal.

US and Canada.

Australia & N.Z.

Liechtenstein with Switzerland and Austria.

Monaco & France.
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I'm sure Romanians have a lot of sympathy for the Serbs, although in recent years Romania has been forced by its NATO allegiance to allow the use of its air space for strikes against Serbia. Given that, I'm not sure how friendly Serbs are towards Romanians...

Spain and Portugal have been on officially friendly terms for a long time, but there is no real friendship there. The Portuguese are quite touchy when they talk about anything Spanish. They still harbour resent over the loss of colonies when they regained independence after the period of common rule (under Philip II and III of Spain, named Philip I and II of Portugal). It's not hostility, but neither is it a sense of friendship.
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Germany and France have pretty much good relationship since 1945.
 
Iceland has no neighbours. LOL
 
Spain and Portugal perhaps?
 
Austria and Hungary.
 
Belgium and France
 
Lichtenstein, Switserland and Austria
 
 
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Since Mexican- US wars we have not been on the best terms with Mexico and some dream of retaking their former territories but most Mexican I know here do not agree with that. I would love to go down to see the inland see between the mainland of Mexico and the Baja peninsula but going down there is risky, although, I might go with a group to see Casa Grandes next Spring- The Hohokham ruins. It will be fun and once I am down there I really enjoy the people. I spent almost three months in Mazatlan, Mexico and made some friends there. Reading "War of a Thousand Deserts" is teaching me so much about the native Ameircan relations with the Spanish and later the Mexicans. Brian Delay is the author!
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The United States and....

The United States and, uh....

F***.

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Well ... we did burn Buffalo down, after the Americans burned down Newark. 
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Sorry Edgewaters, i am from a military family, I tend to get edgy bout these topics. Tongue I know your rite, but I still like to believe that Canadians burnt the city, not the Brits. 
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Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

So, they came from Canada, so we did burn Washington. As for the barbarian part, war is not a party; we all get "barbaric".Tongue

There were no Canadian forces involved in the attack on Washington whatsoever. They were British overseas forces who made a landing on the coast. No Canadian forces ever penetrated that far - we got into Ohio and parts of New York, Vermont etc but not that far south.

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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Quote Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA.

Except you did burn each others capitals in the 1812 war. English Canada was founded solely because of bad relations with the rebel USA.

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British. 

So, they came from Canada, so we did burn Washington. As for the barbarian part, war is not a party; we all get "barbaric".Tongue
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I suppose I must introduce the Scotland/England thing here.

The English, (and their predecessors) have been historically not very nice to the inhabitants of Scotland.

Historically, we have been not very nice right back at them.

Don't worry though we've managed to nearly civilise the poor (English) buggers.


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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.
 
Crysler's Farm? Was that near Detroit? Really? Smile

No, three different fronts. Niagara, Detroit River crossing, and the St. Lawrence corridor (respectively).

I should say that the Detroit front was not really demolished per se ... Hull's surrender was humiliating and costly, but the US was able to regroup and recapture Detroit and then mount a series of succesful attacks/raids as far in as Chatham, but ultimately did not possess the men or material to sustain a campaign and retired back to Detroit. If Hull had not surrendered, they may have been able to sustain a campaign in that sector, so it did end the threat of conquest from that vector.

The few offensive campaigns we participated in (eg down around Plattsburgh etc) generally went badly, because we had lost Brock (genius) at Queenston Heights and the offensive campaigns were organized by Prevost (idiot).



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All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.
 
Crysler's Farm? Was that near Detroit? Really? Smile
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