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Another new update, with Dilmun (nobody), Dzungar (nobody on the list), and EGYPT (Plenty!).  The leaders:
151 Erdeni Batur   1653 Dzungar
189 Khara Khula   1634 Dzungar
253 Galdan Boshugtu Khan 1644 1697 Dzungar
20 Mentuhotep II   1995 BC Egypt
33 Thutmose III   1425 BC Egypt
44 Hatshepsut 1508 BC 1458 BC Egypt
45 Imhotep   2600 BC Egypt
63 Ptolemy I Soter 367 BC 283 BC Egypt
76 Ahmose I   1525 BC Egypt
80 Seti I   1279 BC Egypt
119 Menes/Narmur   ca 3100 BC Egypt
129 Shoshenq I   922 BC Egypt
132 Ramesses II 1303 BC 1213 BC Egypt
133 Ramesses III   1155 BC Egypt
149 Intef II   2069 BC Egypt
157 Senusret III   1839 BC Egypt
173 Sneferu   2589 BC Egypt
198 Amenemhat III   1814 BC Egypt
202 Intef I   2118 BC Egypt
225 Senusret I   1926 BC Egypt
232 Thutmose I   1493 BC Egypt
240 Horemheb   1292 BC Egypt
241 Khufu   2566 BC Egypt
243 Amenhotep I   1506 BC Egypt
256 Amenhotep III   1353 BC Egypt
281 Djoser   2649 BC Egypt
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Rank Name Country
1 George Washington United States
2 Mohammed Arabs
3 Augustus Caesar Rome
4 Cyrus the Great Persia
5 Ghengis Khan Mongol
6 Zhu Yuanzhang (Hongwu) China
7 Salāh ad-DÄ«n YÅ«suf ibn AyyÅ«b  Ayyubids
8 Chandragupta Maurya Maurya
9 Charlemagne Franks
10 Hammurabi Babylon
11 King Alfred the Great Wessex
12 Philip II Macedonia
13 Queen Elizabeth I England
14 Liú Bāng  (Gaozu of Han) China
15 George Kastrioti (Skanderbeg) Albania
16 Sargon Akkad
17 Khālid ibn al-Walīd Arabs
18 Heraclius Byzantine
19 Peter the Great Russia
20 Mentuhotep II Egypt
21 Darius I Persia
22 Moses Israel
23 Shamshi-Adad I Assyria
24 David Israel
25 Tiglath-Pileser III Assyria
26 Henri IV France
27 Abd al-Mu'min  Almohads
28 Nabopolassar Babylon
29 Qin Shi Huang (Shǐ Huáng Dì) China
30 Rudolph I Austria/Habsburgs
31 Alexios I Komnenos Byzantine
32 Philip Augustus France
33 Thutmose III Egypt
34 Robert the Bruce Scotland
35 Cardinal Richelieu France
36 Simeon I the Great Bulgaria
37 Winston Churchill England
38 Yang Jian (Wen of Sui) China
39 Ashur-uballit I Assyria
40 Cheng Tang of Shang China
41 Liu Yu (Wu of Liu Song) China
42 Lê Lợi Đại Việt
43 Jan Žižka Hussite
44 Hatshepsut Egypt
45 Imhotep Egypt
46 Simón Bolívar Gran Colombia
47 Louis XIV France
48 Shams-ud-din Iltutmish Delhi
49 Epaminondas Thebes
50 Raja Raja Chola I Chola
51 Ali ibn Abu Talib  Arabs
52 Wányán Aguda China
53 Rajendra Chola I Chola
54 Ashoka the Great Maurya
55 Sher Shah Suri Pashtun/Suri
56 Abraham Lincoln United States
57 Abd ar-Rahman I Cordoba
58 Ngo Quyen Đại Việt
59 Asparukh Bulgaria
60 Tigranes the Great Armenia
61 Han Xin China
62 James Madison United States
63 Ptolemy I Soter Egypt
64 Frederick the Great Prussia
65 Ivan I Russia
66 Ferdinand III  Castile
67 Ala ud din Khilji Delhi
68 Margaret I Denmark
69 Joshua Israel
70 John II Komnenos Byzantine
71 Suhungmung Ahom
72 Trần Hưng Đạo Đại Việt
73 Acamapichtli Aztec
74 Itzcoatl Aztec
75 Frederick V Austria/Habsburgs
76 Ahmose I Egypt
77 Ivan Asen II Bulgaria
78 Thục Phán (An Dương Vương) Âu Lạc
79 Lǐ Shìmín (Taizong of Tang) China
80 Seti I Egypt
81 Yusuf ibn Tashfin Almoravids
82 Moshe Dayan Israel
83 Muhammad Shaybani Uzbekh
84 Li Yuan (Gaozu of Tang) China
85 Richard I Crusader
86 Pulakesi II Chalukya
87 Idris Alooma Bornu
88 Canute the Great Denmark
89 Charles VII  France
90 Jean d'Arc France
91 As-Saffah Abbasid Caliphate
92 Justinian I Byzantine
93 Scipio Africanus Rome
94 Hamilcar Barca Carthage
95 Mao Zedong China
96 Ahmad Shāh DurrānÄ«  Afghan
97 Basil II Byzantine
98 Maximilian I Bavaria
99 Wu of Zhou  China
100 Ivan Asen I Bulgaria
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Cyrus the Great was the Greatest leader, wasn't he?
 

“...When my soldiers in great numbers peacefully entered Babylon... I did not allow anyone to terrorize the people...
I kept in view the needs of people and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being... Freed all the slaves
I put an end to jews misfortune and slavery.”

The famous clay cylinder of Cyrus the Great, written in 539 BC.

Lets see Greeks who were the enemies of Persians, say about him:

"Cyrus, finding the nations in Asia also independent in exactly the same way, started out with a little band of Persians and became the leader of the Medes by their full consent and of the Hyrcanians by theirs; he then conquered Syria, Assyria, Arabia, Cappadocia, both Phrygias, Lydia, Caria, Phoenicia, and Babylonia; he ruled also over Bactria, India, and Cilicia; and he was likewise king of the Sacians, Paphlagonians, Magadidae, and very many other nations, of which one could not even tell the names; he brought under his sway the Asiatic Greeks also; and, descending to the sea, he added both Cyprus and Egypt to his empire.
He ruled over these nations, even though they did not speak the same language as he, nor one nation the same as another; for all that, he was able to cover so vast a region with the fear which he inspired, that he struck all men with terror and no one tried to withstand him; and he was able to awaken in all so lively a desire to please him, that they always wished to be guided by his will. Moreover, the tribes that he brought into subjection to himself were so many that it is a difficult matter even to travel to them all, in whatever direction one begin one's journey from the palace, whether toward the east or the west, toward the north or the south.
Believing this man to be deserving of all admiration, we have therefore investigated who he was in his origin, what natural endowments he possessed, and what sort of education he had enjoyed, that he so greatly excelled in governing men. Accordingly, what we have found out or think we know concerning him we shall now endeavour to present.
Cyrus was most handsome in person, most generous of heart, most devoted to learning, and most ambitious, so that he endured all sorts of labour and faced all sorts of danger for the sake of praise.", Cyropaedia of Xenophon, Book 1 & 2

 
Cyrus the Great was greater than All Prophets!

What's your religion?

Are you jew?

God calls King Cyrus the Great by name before he is even born to serve Him.
"This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: I will go before you and will level the mountains; I will break down gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron. I will give you the treasures of darkness, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who summons you by name. For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me. I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. "You heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the LORD, have created it."
Cyrus the Great, as it is written in Ezra, c. I and Isaiah, c. 44-45, as well as in the last Chapter of Kings, has been given the titles of Shibban and Messiah by God, which even the prophets do not have.


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God’s instrument came to power sometime around 550 B.C.: they called him "Cyrus the Great." Read about him in Isaiah 41:2-3,25; 44:28; 45:13; 46:2,11; 48:14-15.
1. Notice the titles God gave to Cyrus in Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; 41:2
My Shepherd
Anointed One
Righteous Man
2. These titles are unusual, most often being reserved for the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.
3. Look at the job description God gave Cyrus in Isaiah 44:28; 45:13; 48:14-15:
To free the captive Jews
To help rebuild Jerusalem
To cause the foundations of the temple to be laid
To punish Babylon
4. Why would God use a Gentile king to deliver Israel? Read Isaiah 45: 5-6:
"I am the Lord and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is none other."
Again in verses 21 and 22 of that same chapter the Lord declares that He is the only God and refers to himself as righteous and a Savior. Only God can truly save. Yet we see that He uses a foreign king in order to show His sovereignty over all things.
5. What promises did God give to Cyrus? There are many outlined in Isaiah 45:1-3. He would hold Cyrus’ right hand, demonstrating His bestowal of power. He would subdue nations before opened gates, make crooked places straight, and break gates of bronze and iron. Cyrus overtook three of the four great empires of the world in his day. One of them was Media–which was absorbed into Persia and became Medo-Persia. God gave Cyrus the "treasures of darkness," probably referring to the riches of the Kingdom of Lydia, which Cyrus conquered prior to invading Babylon. The fables about King Midas may be rooted in the land of Lydia and her historical King Croesus.
A person who has a job usually has a job description so he knows what his responsibilities are. Cyrus’ job description was fourfold:
Cyrus freed the Jewish people to return to their homeland. Isaiah 45:13 tells us that he was appointed to this specific task, but not for a price or a reward. (See Chapter 6, How Did Five Persian Kings get in our Bible, for further details). History also accounts for a job well done. A sixth grade history book from Iran gives some of the details about Cyrus. It says: "By the order of Cyrus, the Jews who were captive became free and were able to return to their own holy city of Jerusalem."
Cyrus enabled the rebuilding of Jerusalem as predicted in Isaiah 44:28 and 45:13. With his blessing large numbers of Jews returned to the city of Jerusalem. Though their impetus was to rebuild the temple, they would eventually rebuild the city walls and fortify Jerusalem once more.
Cyrus helped to rebuild the temple foundation. We can see in II Chronicles 36:23 his acknowledgment that God had specifically appointed him for the task. However, remember from Isaiah 44:28 that only the temple foundation would be laid. The Book of Ezra tells the story of Israel’s enthusiasm in laying the foundation and the subsequent discouragement they received from the surrounding nations. The work would not be finished until 50 years later, under the leadership of Haggai.
Cyrus punished Babylon. In Isaiah 48:14-15 he is referred to as "the Lord’s chosen ally" who carried out His purpose against Babylon. Historical legends have arisen about his massive victory over the Babylonian Empire. One claims that Cyrus secretly diverted the Euphrates River, which runs through the middle of the Babylonian capital, so that his army could march through the riverbed by night and capture the city.


Are you Muslim?

Quran, Surat 18. Al-Kahf


83.And they ask you about Cyrus the Great (Zulqarnain). Say: "I shall recite to you something of his story."


84.Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything.


85.So he followed a way.


86.Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy water (Lydia). And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Cyrus! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."


87.He said: "As for him (a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allâh) who does wrong, we shall punish him; and then he will be brought back unto his Lord; Who will punish him with a terrible torment (Hell).


88."But as for him who believes (in Allâh's Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward, (Paradise), and we (Cyrus) shall speak unto him mild words (as instructions)."


89.Then he followed another way,


90.Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allâh) had provided no shelter against the sun.


91.So (it was)! And We knew all about him (Cyrus).


92.Then he followed (another) way,


93.Until, when he reached between two mountains, he found, before (near) them (those two mountains), a people who scarcely understood a word.


94.They said: "O Cyrus! Verily! Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog) are doing great mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute in order that you might erect a barrier between us and them?"


95.He said: "That (wealth, authority and power) in which my Lord had established me is better (than your tribute). So help me with strength (of men), I will erect between you and them a barrier.


96."Give me pieces (blocks) of iron," then, when he had filled up the gap between the two mountain-cliffs, he said: "Blow," till when he had made it (red as) fire, he said: "Bring me molten copper to pour over it."


97.So they [Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog)] were made powerless to scale it or dig through it.


98.(Cyrus) said: "This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the Promise of my Lord comes, He shall level it down to the ground. And the Promise of my Lord is ever true."


99.And on that Day [i.e. the Day Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog) will come out], We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another, and the Trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.


100.And on that Day We shall present Hell to the disbelievers, plain to view,


101.(To) Those whose eyes had been under a covering from My Reminder (this Qur'ân), and who could not bear to hear (it).


102.Do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My slaves [i.e. Cyrus the Great] as Auliyâ' (lords, gods, protectors, etc.) besides Me? Verily, We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism)



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Hello Cyrus,

Very interesting subject I would like to discuss it.

You think Zulqarnain is Cyrus the great? Yes it would be prettier than Alexander yes. But it is not certain. And many scholars of Islam referred him as Alexander for centuries.

Also there is a notable work named Romance of Alexander. which is attributed to Pseudo-Callisthenes Some parts just matches Zulqarnain. Like the iron wall and gog&magog. And it's earliest version is written before Quran.

Please don't take offence on this I am researching and thinking about the subject for a long time and find it appealing. I am not a supporter of any theory or disliking any.

I know today's muslim scholars have conflicting views on his identity. I have even read works claiming "yes he was Iskandar but he was muslim enough"

And also who do you think gog and magog are?

Or should we discuss in another thread? :)
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We can discuss about it in another thread, as you know, Cyrus the Great was an unknown figure among muslims for centuries and they knew almost nothing about him before the translation of Greek books in the last centuries, anyway I think if we want to discuss about this subject then we should firstly answer these two question:

1.What was the importance of Zulqarnain for Jews who asked about him?

It should be mentioned that the Prophet Daniel calls Cyrus the Great, the savior of Jews, as a ram with two horns (Daniel 8:1-4) and Zulqarnain just means one with two horns in Arabic.

2.Which is the personality in history who fits the beliefs and characteristics of Zulqarnain and his different expeditions as mentioned in the Quran?

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Nice brief on Cyrus, Cyrus. One thing though. One needs to be careful when inserting footnotes or adlibbing words into the Quran that were not there in the first place. Cyrus is specualtive. Though sensical, still speculative. 

18:83 - "And they ask you about the one who is from Two Eras, Say: "I will recite to you a memory from him."

The two eras can mean two generations. Some interpretations reflect on the past and some on the future (Gog and Magog, for instance).
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I was trying to say that too. The word "Cyrus" is never spelled in Quran. But I think it will be a nice subject to discuss but on a separate thread. Coming soon! :)
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Honestly, all the quotations have very little impact on how I evaluate a great leader.  You've just got to look at the performance--what they did and how it impacted their nation.  Cyrus was the Great, he's in the top 5.
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Originally posted by Seko

Nice brief on Cyrus, Cyrus. One thing though. One needs to be careful when inserting footnotes or adlibbing words into the Quran that were not there in the first place. Cyrus is specualtive. Though sensical, still speculative. 

18:83 - "And they ask you about the one who is from Two Eras, Say: "I will recite to you a memory from him."

The two eras can mean two generations. Some interpretations reflect on the past and some on the future (Gog and Magog, for instance).
You are right, but I think using the word "Cyrus" is better than that false translation of "Zolqarnain" because "Qarn" never means "Era" or "Generation" in Arabic.
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Some of the leaders were more generals or lets say millitarist, is their contributions to culture, arts, architecture or lets say collectively civil works not a factor of being a great leader?
 
 
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Qarn could mean peak as in twin peaks- horns. Zul mean two, as in two reliable. However, generations is the most used meaning in the quran, a the word repeatedly used is:  qarnin or alquroona 6:6, 7:169, 10:13, 19:74.

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Meyers, I actually agree having Cyrus at that number, Augustus as well. Though the number 1 and 2 should be interchange in my opinion, overall impact in a historical perspective shows this as so. but I see your point placing George as such.


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Hello Cyrus,

Very interesting subject I would like to discuss it.

You think Zulqarnain is Cyrus the great? Yes it would be prettier than Alexander yes. But it is not certain. And many scholars of Islam referred him as Alexander for centuries.

Also there is a notable work named Romance of Alexander. which is attributed to Pseudo-Callisthenes Some parts just matches Zulqarnain. Like the iron wall and gog&magog. And it's earliest version is written before Quran.

Please don't take offence on this I am researching and thinking about the subject for a long time and find it appealing. I am not a supporter of any theory or disliking any.

I know today's muslim scholars have conflicting views on his identity. I have even read works claiming "yes he was Iskandar but he was muslim enough"

And also who do you think gog and magog are?

Or should we discuss in another thread? :)


Its hard to state on this, but if you look at it at the Judeo-Christian religions, both Christianity and Judaism, Alex mentioning is as limit as a few passages, he actually didnt care himself with Israel as much as Cyrus had. And we all know the exploits of Alexander with his agreement with slavery, his being a polytheist, proclaiming himself as a demigod or was it a god, his speculative love with other men (all three religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism are against it), his egomaniac behavior and etc.

As Cyrus pointed out, Zulqarnain is actually a question by Jews of that time regarding his importance towards them, Cyrus had more of an impact in Judaism than Alex had. I believe in Daniel it is written that the Persians as a Ram, same thing was said in the Quran as the symbol of Zulqarnain though this could be countered by the coins Alex made of himself having ram's head.

The reality though, the romantic tales of Alex made the arabs of ancient times believe he was Zulqarnain, but Alex is far from what Zulqarnain stood for. Didnt Alex's attack be from West to East?

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Originally posted by Bulldog

Some of the leaders were more generals or lets say millitarist, is their contributions to culture, arts, architecture or lets say collectively civil works not a factor of being a great leader?
 
 
Originally posted by Merriam-Webster Dictionary

LEADER:  a person who leads: as a: guide, conductor b (1): a person who directs a military force or unit (2): a person who has commanding authority or influence ...
 
Leadership requires a person to be conspicuous enough that other people can see them and follow them.  Usually military or political figures are leaders, and their influence is relatively easy to evaluate.  A few scientists could be considered leaders, perhaps a few engineers, a few businessmen...  I am looking at the power of the nation, its standing within the international community.  Military and Political factors are easier to look at.  It is extremely difficult to evaluate how a nation's standing in the world community is impacted by artists, by "cultural" factors.  Easiest is military, then political, then economic, then scientific; after that it is too hard to evaluate.
 
That being said, if you have some people who contributed primarily through art or culture and their contribution increased the power of the nation, they should certainly be on the list!  All I want to look at is how the trajectory/power changed because of that person.
 
 
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I've now updated and revised my ratings of English leaders.  There are very many leaders, but very few truly outstanding leaders.  Only 3 really great leaders: Alfred, Elizabeth, and Winston Churchill.  I've got only 4 in the top 100, but an amazing 14 in the top 200.
 
Added:
46 Shutruk-Nahhunte   1160 BC Elam
103 Kindattu   ca 2000 BC Elam
182 Kutik-Inshushinak   2220 BC Elam
203 Siwe-Palar-Khuppak   1745 BC Elam
266 Khallushu   693 BC Elam
11 King Alfred the Great 849 899 England
13 Queen Elizabeth I 1533 1603 England
37 Winston Churchill 1874 1965 England
86 Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington  1769 1852 England
101 Henry VII 1457 1509 England
114 William III 1650 1702 England
117 Henry V 1387 1422 England
120 Horatio Nelson 1758 1805 England
141 Robert Clive 1725 1774 England
142 John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough 1650 1722 England
144 William Pitt the Elder 1708 1778 England
155 Æthelstan 895 939 England
156 Henry I 1068 1135 England
158 Henry II  1133 1189 England
214 Oliver Cromwell 1599 1658 England
219 Edward III 1312 1377 England
233 Edward I Longshanks 1239 1307 England
239 Sir Francis Drake 1540 1595 England
271 Edward, the Black Prince 1330 1376 England
284 Edgar 943 975 England
304 Harold Godwinson 1020 1066 England
308 Egbert of Wessex 775 839 England
324 Isambard Kingdom Brunel 1806 1859 England
333 Henry VIII 1491 1547 England
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Rank Name Country
1 George Washington United States
2 Mohammed Arabs
3 Augustus Caesar Rome
4 Cyrus the Great Persia
5 Ghengis Khan Mongol
6 Zhu Yuanzhang (Hongwu) China
7 Salāh ad-DÄ«n YÅ«suf ibn AyyÅ«b  Ayyubids
8 Chandragupta Maurya Maurya
9 Charlemagne Franks
10 Hammurabi Babylon
11 King Alfred the Great England
12 Philip II Macedonia
13 Queen Elizabeth I England
14 Liú Bāng  (Gaozu of Han) China
15 George Kastrioti (Skanderbeg) Albania
16 Sargon Akkad
17 Khālid ibn al-Walīd Arabs
18 Heraclius Byzantine
19 Peter the Great Russia
20 Mentuhotep II Egypt
21 Darius I Persia
22 Moses Israel
23 Shamshi-Adad I Assyria
24 David Israel
25 Tiglath-Pileser III Assyria
26 Henri IV France
27 Abd al-Mu'min  Almohads
28 Nabopolassar Babylon
29 Qin Shi Huang (Shǐ Huáng Dì) China
30 Rudolph I Austria/Habsburgs
31 Alexios I Komnenos Byzantine
32 Philip Augustus France
33 Thutmose III Egypt
34 Robert the Bruce Scotland
35 Cardinal Richelieu France
36 Simeon I the Great Bulgaria
37 Winston Churchill England
38 Yang Jian (Wen of Sui) China
39 Ashur-uballit I Assyria
40 Cheng Tang of Shang China
41 Liu Yu (Wu of Liu Song) China
42 Lê Lợi Đại Việt
43 Jan Žižka Hussite
44 Hatshepsut Egypt
45 Imhotep Egypt
46 Shutruk-Nahhunte Elam
47 Simón Bolívar Gran Colombia
48 Louis XIV France
49 Shams-ud-din Iltutmish Delhi
50 Epaminondas Thebes
51 Raja Raja Chola I Chola
52 Ali ibn Abu Talib  Arabs
53 Wányán Aguda China
54 Rajendra Chola I Chola
55 Ashoka the Great Maurya
56 Sher Shah Suri Pashtun/Suri
57 Abraham Lincoln United States
58 Abd ar-Rahman I Cordoba
59 Ngo Quyen Đại Việt
60 Asparukh Bulgaria
61 Tigranes the Great Armenia
62 Han Xin China
63 James Madison United States
64 Ptolemy I Soter Egypt
65 Frederick the Great Prussia
66 Ivan I Russia
67 Ferdinand III  Castile
68 Ala ud din Khilji Delhi
69 Margaret I Denmark
70 Joshua Israel
71 John II Komnenos Byzantine
72 Suhungmung Ahom
73 Trần Hưng Đạo Đại Việt
74 Acamapichtli Aztec
75 Itzcoatl Aztec
76 Frederick V Austria/Habsburgs
77 Ahmose I Egypt
78 Ivan Asen II Bulgaria
79 Thục Phán (An Dương Vương) Âu Lạc
80 Lǐ Shìmín (Taizong of Tang) China
81 Seti I Egypt
82 Yusuf ibn Tashfin Almoravids
83 Moshe Dayan Israel
84 Muhammad Shaybani Uzbekh
85 Li Yuan (Gaozu of Tang) China
86 Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington  England
87 Richard I Crusader
88 Pulakesi II Chalukya
89 Idris Alooma Bornu
90 Canute the Great Denmark
91 Charles VII  France
92 Jean d'Arc France
93 As-Saffah Abbasid Caliphate
94 Justinian I Byzantine
95 Scipio Africanus Rome
96 Hamilcar Barca Carthage
97 Mao Zedong China
98 Ahmad Shāh DurrānÄ«  Afghan
99 Basil II Byzantine
100 Maximilian I Bavaria
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46 Shutruk-Nahhunte   1160 BC Elam


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Is it good or bad that has been a long time? Cheeky

I'm just looking through the history of each nation steadily....


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Cyrus The Great is definately one of the greatest leaders in history. But keep in mind that his empire would have fallen immediately, had not it been for the superb administration of Darius The Great, whom in fact, sustained it.
 
Some Chinese Emperors also come to mind, Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty in particular.


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After a long while (a vacation and break), I have continued to compile this list.  Latest additions (notice how it is harder and harder to make the list!):
168 Pyrrhus 318 BC 272 BC Epirus
155 Haile Selassie I 1892 1975 Ethiopia
186 Yohannes IV  1831 1889 Ethiopia
217 Mara Takla Haymanot   ca 1150 Ethiopia
225 Tewodros II  1818 1868 Ethiopia
265 Yekuno Amlak   1285 Ethiopia
306 Gebre Mesqel Lalibela   1229 Ethiopia
68 Ubayd Allah al-Mahdi Billah   934 Fatimid
83 Ma`ad al-Mu`izz li Din Allah    975 Fatimid
89 Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim 1867 1951 Finland
24 Cardinal Richelieu 1585 1642 France
27 Henri IV 1553 1610 France
54 Philip Augustus 1165 1223 France
109 Louis XIV 1638 1715 France
116 Jean d'Arc 1412 1431 France
139 Charles V 1338 1380 France
148 Charles VII  1403 1461 France
149 Yolande of Aragon 1384 1442 France
158 Napoleon Bonaparte 1769 1821 France
175 Cardinal Mazarin 1601 1661 France
174 Louis XI 1423 1483 France
191 André-Hercule de Fleury 1653 1743 France
229 Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne 1611 1675 France
245 Bertrand du Guesclin 1320 1380 France
299 Hugh Capet 940 996 France
318 Louis VI 1081 1137 France
347 Charles de Gaulle 1890 1970 France
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Top 100 Leaders BETA
(Through "France" in the alphabet)
Rank Name Country
1 George Washington United States
2 Mohammed Arabs
3 Augustus Caesar Rome
4 Cyrus the Great Persia
5 Ghengis Khan Mongol
6 Zhu Yuanzhang (Hongwu) China
7 Salāh ad-DÄ«n YÅ«suf ibn AyyÅ«b  Ayyubids
8 Chandragupta Maurya Maurya
9 Charlemagne Franks
10 Hammurabi Babylon
11 King Alfred the Great England
12 Philip II Macedonia
13 Queen Elizabeth I England
14 Liú Bāng  (Gaozu of Han) China
15 George Kastrioti (Skanderbeg) Albania
16 Sargon Akkad
17 Khālid ibn al-Walīd Arabs
18 Heraclius Byzantine
19 Peter the Great Russia
20 Mentuhotep II Egypt
21 Darius I Persia
22 Moses Israel
23 Shamshi-Adad I Assyria
24 Cardinal Richelieu France
25 David Israel
26 Tiglath-Pileser III Assyria
27 Henri IV France
28 Abd al-Mu'min  Almohads
29 Nabopolassar Babylon
30 Qin Shi Huang (Shǐ Huáng Dì) China
31 Rudolph I Austria/Habsburgs
32 Alexios I Komnenos Byzantine
33 Thutmose III Egypt
34 Robert the Bruce Scotland
35 Simeon I the Great Bulgaria
36 Winston Churchill England
37 Yang Jian (Wen of Sui) China
38 Ashur-uballit I Assyria
39 Cheng Tang of Shang China
40 Liu Yu (Wu of Liu Song) China
41 Lê Lợi Đại Việt
42 Jan Žižka Hussite
43 Hatshepsut Egypt
44 Imhotep Egypt
45 Shutruk-Nahhunte Elam
46 Simón Bolívar Gran Colombia
47 Shams-ud-din Iltutmish Delhi
48 Epaminondas Thebes
49 Raja Raja Chola I Chola
50 Ali ibn Abu Talib  Arabs
51 Wányán Aguda China
52 Rajendra Chola I Chola
53 Ashoka the Great Maurya
54 Philip Augustus France
55 Sher Shah Suri Pashtun/Suri
56 Abraham Lincoln United States
57 Abd ar-Rahman I Cordoba
58 Ngo Quyen Đại Việt
59 Asparukh Bulgaria
60 Tigranes the Great Armenia
61 Han Xin China
62 James Madison United States
63 Ptolemy I Soter Egypt
64 Frederick the Great Prussia
65 Ivan I Russia
66 Ferdinand III  Castile
67 Ala ud din Khilji Delhi
68 Ubayd Allah al-Mahdi Billah Fatimid
69 Margaret I Denmark
70 Joshua Israel
71 John II Komnenos Byzantine
72 Suhungmung Ahom
73 Trần Hưng Đạo Đại Việt
74 Acamapichtli Aztec
75 Itzcoatl Aztec
76 Frederick V Austria/Habsburgs
77 Ahmose I Egypt
78 Ivan Asen II Bulgaria
79 Thục Phán (An Dương Vương) Âu Lạc
80 Lǐ Shìmín (Taizong of Tang) China
81 Seti I Egypt
82 Yusuf ibn Tashfin Almoravids
83 Ma`ad al-Mu`izz li Din Allah  Fatimid
84 Moshe Dayan Israel
85 Muhammad Shaybani Uzbekh
86 Li Yuan (Gaozu of Tang) China
87 Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington  England
88 Richard I Crusader
89 Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim Finland
90 Pulakesi II Chalukya
91 Idris Alooma Bornu
92 Canute the Great Denmark
93 As-Saffah Abbasid Caliphate
94 Justinian I Byzantine
95 Scipio Africanus Rome
96 Hamilcar Barca Carthage
97 Mao Zedong China
98 Ahmad Shāh DurrānÄ«  Afghan
99 Basil II Byzantine
100 Maximilian I Bavaria
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