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    Posted: 12-Mar-2009 at 12:39
There are 96 K clan s of Royal Maratha's  and each of them are anicient .
  True Maratha Scattered due to their native place,heroic deed,Migration and some acts.
example of Maratha Scattering as
Parmar - Panwar - Powar - Puar -Dalvi - Nimbalkar - Naik Nimbalkar - Khardekar etc.
 
 in above relation all clans are descendant of Hindu king related to Parmara .now rajput helds name Panwar at chhattarpur ,Pawar/Puar  Marathas at Dhar ,Dewas , while Dalvi are their branches welknown Deshmukh of Lakhimpur ,in case of  Nimbalkar  they accquire their name due to Village Nimbalak,tal- Phaltan,Dist-satara,Maharashtra and among them Ruler Nimbalkar known as Naik Nimbalkar of Phaltan ,whose one of the Branch  ruled Kharda place ,welknown as Khardekar Clan.
 
 Bhosale- Sisode - Ghorpade -Kharade-Dekhale- Divekar-Kanase etc.
 
Above Bhosale clan who migrated from western maharashtra to Khandesh known as Dekhale , Village Kharadi causes Kharade , Bhosale when assisted king shivaji by lightening torch known as Diva in Marathi causes Divekar etc.
 
Yadav - Jadhav - Jadhavrao
 
here , yadav traces their origine from Rajput clan who supposed to be Lord Krishna's Descendant and further they converted into Jadhav due to language  and Some Jadhav who served Sultanets refered as Rao  title called as Jadhavrao .
 
also More from Jawali ruler ,received Rao TITLE AS He recognised as Chandrarao, While Nimbalkar ,who receives surdeshmukhi of 84 villages receives title of Naik equivalent to King,  Sawant can be supposed to be samants / knights under shilahara dynasty.
 
In above mannner Maratha Clan Scattered from original 96k clans.
About five families in Maratha,i.e. pure Maratha among 96 ,there are five groups of clans which closely resembles each other by means of Totem { Devak }, Traditions ,Old Royal Links etc. These Five clans highly disputed.there is no certain five clans which can be considered as high.
  Each and every clan among Royal 96k has its own charachteristics.Acording Royalty,Bravery ,Kshatriya Arya Origine , Rishi's Created 96 kULI  Maratha list.
 
  This list is not available partiucularly but some clans in Maratha Dominated Maharashtra political Scene is welknown.
 Yadav ,Shilahar,Hoysal,Rajputs,Regional Rulers Constitutes Maratha Cast which is referred as Pure High Marathas.
Some cultivators in Maharashtra,are also descendants of Royal dynasties they married with Royal Marathas and Constitute Kunabi Maratha Cast.
  REMEMBER WELL, that Kunabi means farmer from all castes but Maratha Royal 96 k CLANS
USED TO MARRY WITH  Royal Revenue collectors from their cast only.
 
 In Maratha, the Kadu Maratha word denotes the Maratha  from low background i.e. One who married and keeps relationships With low caste and even other than Maratha Cast.
 
Maratha word taken as comprehensive manner as Maharashtriyan which Conclude Maratha,Brahman and other residents of Maharashtra.
 
But   Maratha  is the main term for Specific Community who belongs Kshatriya Arya Origine and descendants of Royal Dynasties.Maratha Ocurring prominantly in Maharashtra and states boardering to it.
 
Sath Ghare / Seven Clans Among Maratha is term come into existance only when Bhosale Sardar,the general of maratha confederecy , selects 7 clans among 96 for marriage.
It is due to Several Royal 96 K Clans like Bhoite,Ghorpade,Kate and others don't marry with Bhosale due to same Devak Worship and traditiona similarity.
 These Seven Clans : Phalke ,Shirke, Mohite ,Jadhav  and some others.
 
About Panchkuli :
 Panchkuli doesnot exist but its existance is due to Maratha Consideration of Supremeness and comparison in between them.
 
it is highly controversial as  One contains Yadav,Jadhav because they ruled Maharashtra ,but they lack Parmara, Kadamba,Nikumbha,Nala,Sind,Vasusen,Shilahar,Rashtrkuta  etc. kings Descendants like Pawar,Kadam,Nikam,Nalawade,Shinde,Jagtap,Shelar,Rothe/ Rathod.
 
About another configuration they contains Rajput considered Marathas like Sisode / sisodiya,Bhosale/ Gehlot,Rathod -Ghatge ,Solanki - Salunkhe, Bhati - Bhoite ,Rana - Rane,Chouhan - Chavan ,Tomar - Taware etc. clans.
 
About another list : which includes Vanshas of Bramha,Surya,Hari etc.  such clans like  Gaikwad , Ingale,Dabhade,Dhamdhere ,others.
 
another list says that clans like Gujars,JAT ,Angre ,Ahir rao ,Kshirsagar,dhampal,shankhapal etc. clans are Panchkuli's.
 
 While Maratha's Revenue collecting Powers like Shitole,Pisal,Kakade,Shirke,Sawant,Hande,Nimbalkar,Jedhe,Mohite's   etc. termed as Panchkuli  Marathas.
 
Other Maratha clans like Mahadik , More ,Chalukya who supposed to be emperors are also consider himself Panchkuli. etc.
 
etc. iisues  are rising here but  about 96 k they are limited.
 
True fact about Maratha there is no gradation in between them but according historic records
 each maratha  clan considered himself great.
All  the 96 k clans Marathas are equivalents  as they have blue blood / Royal Kshatriya Blood.
 
Due to population increase Maratha clans are now creating debacles who is 96k or not / who is panchkuli or not .etc
 
Maratha's Royalty only based only on Royal 96 K clan Configuration and not  on Panch kuli or saptakuli .
 
Origine of Maratha is also controversial one of the Marathi Myth indicates Maratha created by god from his arms.Some theory puts that they are descendants of Native Royalties ,Some says they the mixture of Indian Ruling Castes and Landlord classess.
 
Now many men many minds many theories many myths many considerations.
 
 Truth is Only Maratha cast is Legendary Kshatriya of INDIA.
 
Maratha Peoples history is fullfilled with various glories as each of the clan originally in 17th century Background from Sardar,Jagirdar,Deshmukh,Patil etc. houses who are the descendants of Heroes of Hinduism in Myths of Hindu Culture.
 
Maratha prominance is Ruled in every period on Maharashtra but  combined Maratha prominance only exists under King Shivaji Bhosale,one of the Royal 96 K Maratha.Who leaded  Maratha community which was busy in combating with each other for Sultanets.
 
Sultanets Cause's Death of Jijamata's { shivaJI'S Mother }  brothers and disputes between Jadhav and Bhosale ,resulting into bleeding of both  then jijamata taught shivaji to become king and unite community members with the help of commoners to prevent Hinduism and Swarajya.
 Then Maratha rides ,FAUGHTS AND CONQUER   Almost India  next  history increases influence  of Peshwa and Maratha 96 K clans  other than Bhosale ,Jadhav , some regional revenue collectors etc.
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Yes I guess  May be they could be  same marathas as the word Maratha is also referrred to as maratta.
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Interestingly, in Manimekhalai (a post-Sangam Tamil work dated to first centuries), it is mentioned that the metal technicians of Magadha came to Tamilagam to build a Mantap along with minute metal workers of Maratta, Blacksmiths of Avanti, carpenters of Yavanam and of course that of experts of Tamilagam (19.107-111). This also proves the unity and integrity of building technology of Bharat.

 
Can those metal workers of Maratta of that period could have any connection with the Marathas, we discuss about?
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Thanks Ashok.The information is really useful.

More discussion/information in this topic would be really useful. 

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Hello Arachis,
 
 
Origin of Marathas:
 
The word Maratha is derived from the word Rashtrikas.
Rashtrikas were residing in the same Region in the times of The Mauryan King Asoka The Great.  It is inscribed in rock eddicts that he sent his missionaries to the Rashtrikas, the dwellers of Dandaka forest. These fierce independent minded people called themselves Maha-rashtrikas (Maha means great). In Course of time this word corrupted to Maratha.
 
You can still notice the name of the state after them is MahaRashtra which tells you their original Clan name.
 
Marathas at the time of Mughal Empire:
 
After fall of Kingdom of Yadavas to Allauddin Khilji (14th century AD), they lost their independence but acquired political and military experience for next two centuries by serving under muslim sultanates of Deccan.
 
One Maloji Bhosle rose to power in 1595 AD. He was also feudatory to the Mughal Emperor through the Nizam of Ahmednagar. His son Shah Ji Bhosle rebelled against The Mughals but was defeated and captured. He later got his rule back. His wife Jijabai was a lady of extraordinary intellect and was solely responsible for making Shivaji's career as the independent Hindu King in muslim (Mughal) dominated Indian scenario, She was from the Royal family of Yadavs (or Jadhavs).
 
Shivaji was born at Shivneri fort in 1627 . Shahaji gave part of his `Jagir' or fiefdom (included Pune, Supe and Chakan) to his wife Jijabai and son Shivaji. Shivaji at very young age realized the importance of guerilla warfare and taking advantage of growing weakness of Deccan sultanates, seized many forts in western Maharashtra and became the most famous marathas rule by 1674 by taking the title of Raja and Chhatrapati.
 
Shivaji's coronation laid the foundation of Maratha dynasty which ruled major part of cental India for next 2 centuries. Shivaji died bit prematurely at age of 50 in 1680 AD. At his death his vast kingdom consisted of almost whole of Maharashtra, Goa and Karnataka, part of Gujrath and Tamilnadu states of modern India
 
His son Shambhuji ruled for a short period of time. His second son Rajaram (who was married to the daugther of Shivaji's Supreme commander ParatapRao Gujar) took the charge after it. He also died fighting Mughals, His wife 'The Barve Tarabai'  ruled the Marathas as a representative of her son and started many campaigns against Mughals. After that Pehswas, Holkars, Gayakwads and Shindes came into power one after the other and razed the Mughals kingdom at last.
 
 
Marathas Clans:
 
Maratha community is made of 60 Somvanshi and 36 Suryavanshi clans Thus the total number of clans of Marathas is 96.
 
There are five Royal Clans in Marathas namely
Bhosle, Gujar, Mohite, Jadhav, Ahirrav. These royal clans were considered the highest among Marathas and would intermerry among these clans only.
 
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Thanks guys for all the replies.
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John Faithful Faith had rejected several dybasties found in the inscriptions, but chosen to select some wherever, they suited his inertpretation.

Bhandarkar has pointed out his method of even creating new dynasties or merging two or three to one.
 
Therefore, Marathas cannot be considered as separate warrior class or family, but emerged dominant during the period for the purpose.
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         Every time, whenever a royal family / clan, or a family / clan becoming “royal” (by virtue of ruling) became dominant, they may be identified as dynasty / Kingdom.

 

         Titles are often converted into clan / Royal family / dynasty.

 

         But, even feudatories become dominant at times and they cannot be considered as Kingdoms.

 

         Thousands of names of clan / family / lineages are recorded in the inscriptions and all cannot become kingdoms.

 

         In many cases, they have issued coins also.

 

         Descendancy cannot decide ascendancy unless, one prove valour. Theorization of origins would lead to interpretation with motive.

 

         Ideologization of theories make one group pitted against another group for the implied purpose, as “Marathas” are pitted against “Moghuls”.

 
         Bhosle / Bhonsle, Ranas, Yadhavas, Nimbalkars come under the category of Marathas.


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@Omar al Hashim,@Knights
 
Thanks for replying.Maratha empire came in historical focus during their conflict with Mughal empire. Ofcourse their founder was Shivaji and maratha history during and after His rule is well known but not much is known about the preshivaji history of marathas.
Following is some info from some websites about them.
 
 
Risley's theory of the Scytho-Dravindian origin of the Marathas is now discarded, it cannot be denied that there exists a great admixture of aboriginal tribal elements in the Marathas, of all grades. Several Maratha clans are totemic: Khandoba (sword father) and Bhavani (mother goddess), the two chief deities of the Marathas, are aboriginal in character.

References to the Marathas and their country are found in accounts by the Arab geographer, Al Biruni (1030 AD), Friar Jordanus (c.1326) and Ibn Batuta (1340), the African traveller. The Marathas came into political prominence only in the 17th century under Shivaji. Historians such as Grant Duff attribute their rise to fortuitous circumstances - "like a conflagration in the forests of Sahyadri mountains" - while Justice Ranade ascribes it to genuine efforts made by Maratha chiefs serving under the Deccani sultans.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2007 at 19:18
Was the founder of the Maratha Shivaji? I recall his name somewhere prominent in their history. I think he headed the invaded and annexed a fair chunk of the Mughal Empire.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2007 at 19:06
Really?
Your talking about the Empire of the Marathas rather than the people aren't you?
I have always been told they began as a result of a rebellion against the Mughal Empire, initially they were crushed but the movement survivied and gradually gained strenght as the Mughal's declined.
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Very little is known about the origins and the early history of marathas?
 
Can we idiscuss and share any information/theories on origins of the marathas?
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