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    Posted: 07-Jun-2009 at 08:16
Originally posted by Segestan Segestan wrote:

The Huns are Not the peoples of Eastern stock. This is a myth told to hid the supernatural coming of the Huns. ... from the Gothic account of the Huns.   " We have ascertained that the nation of the Huns , who surpassed all others in atrocity, came thus into being. When Filimer , fifth King of Sweden, was entering Scythia, with his people, as we have before described, he found among them certain sorcerer women, whom they call in their native tongue Aliorumnas, or Al-runas, whom he suspected and drove forth from the midst of his army into the wilderness. The unclean spirits that wander up and down in desert places , seeing these women, made concubines of them, and from this unionsprang that most fierce people of the Huns who were at first little , foul ,emanciated creatures, dwelling among the swamps ,possessing only the shadow of hunman speech by way of language...... Nations whom they would never have vanquished in fair fight fled horrified from these frightful --- faces I can hardly call them , but rather ---shapeless black collops of flesh , with little points instead of eyes. No hair on thier cheeks or chins gives grace to adolescence or dignity to age, but deep furrowed scars instead down the sides of their faces, show the impress of the iron which with characteristic ferocity they apply to every male  that is born among them .... They are little in stature, but lithe and active in their motions, and especially skilful in riding , broadshouldered, good at the use of a bow and arrows, with sinewy necks, and always holding their heads high in their pride"  
 

Now if psychologist and psychiatrists observe the minds observing the world .... Freud and Jung would have had a field day with those Gothic accounts of the Huns.

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Originally posted by gok_toruk gok_toruk wrote:

"Q" could be easily changed to 'h', right, but it's not that much frequent with 'u'. What more, if that' 'u', for sure the last part wouldn't be 'er'; that would be 'ar' or 'aq'. Anatolian Turkish lacks 'q' and 'gh'. It's not a shift among consonants; they simply CAN'T pronounce 'q'. 
 
My dear friend, I do not think that you say Anatolian Turkish lacks Q and Gh ( G'/Ğ) is entirely true. That lacks the sounds Q and Gh is not Anatolian Turkish but Istanbulite Standard Dialect which imposed as Standard Literary Language on the whole Anatolia.
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Xiong Nus was ancestor of many Turanid nation like Turks (and Turkics of course), Mongols, Magyars etc. bu mostly Turks. Because Modu Shanyu/Mao-Dun/Oghuz Khan was a Oghuz Turk.
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Originally posted by pekau pekau wrote:

That's why the Huns never had a capital or other cities.



Tongwancheng

Xiongnu - asian hun capital city. The uncovered city occupies one square km in Jingbian County in northwest China's Shaanxi Province, adjacent to the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region. It was built by more than 100,000 Xiongnu people in the year 419. Named "Tongwancheng", which means "unify all countries", the city is composed of three parts, the palace walls, the inner city and the outer city. Watchtowers stand at the four corners of the complex. The 16-30 meter thick city walls are made with sand and white-powdered earth mixed with glutinous rice water. This mixture made the earthen walls as hard as the stone walls.

From a distance, the white city looks like a giant ship. The southwestern turret, the highest of the four, is 31 meters high and looks like a ship's mast. The ruined city is now fenced with brush-wood, trees and grass.

"It is the most substantial, magnificent and well-preserved city to be built by any ethnic group in the history of China," said Zhu Shiguang, president of the China Ancient City Society.


During the Qin (221-206 B.C.) and the Han (206-220 B.C.) dynasties, the Huns subdued regimes ruled by other northern ethnic groups in the Western Regions which included present-day Xinjiang and parts of Central Asia, and became a big threat to the domain of feudal empires in the Central Plains.

During the first century B.C., the Huns were defeated by imperial troops led by Emperor Hanwu, the most famous in the Western Han Dynasty, and then split into two parts, the Northern Huns and the Southern Huns.

From the year 89 to 91 A.D., the main force of the Northern Huns, defeated by the Southern Huns and the imperial troops of the Eastern Han Dynasty (25-220) successively, moved to the Ili River valley, Central Asia, regions east to the Don River and the Volga River valley.

"The Huns played an important role in the world history, especially in the shaping of the European nationalities and the development of European history," said Lin Gan, a professor specializing in the study of Huns at the Inner Mongolian University.




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Oh, sorry I forgot translating.

 

Well, I realised he is a very passionate Chechen and they often compare Russia to Rome and Chechnya to Carthage :))))

 

Therefore I wrote in Russian - Salam, Greetings to Johar Dudayev,

also, Son of Shamil Bassayev is my friends, studies in Azerbaijan, he always used to tell:

 

Let the enemy know for the centuries that we will stand on our knees only before Allah when we pray to him/her. 

 

something like that is the translation of the seconf sentence, below.



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No need to respond to the previous post. That member won't be with us any longer. What the heck did you write anyway?
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Wassalam Aleykum brat! Do zdrastvuyet Joxar Dudayev! Slava Yemu!
 
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Hi all, I'm chechen. I wish to tell, you will see all who such Huns, Alans, Khazars and  who posessed empire Chzhou and Qin(huns or chine) when Russia will be destroyed as Rome.
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U know, once one armenian Historian told that Gruzin comes from Gruz which means load in Russian, and that means Georgians were Porters of Russians and Armenians. This is how Mr. Hun is critisizing. After all of those facts, he simply refuses accepting that we, Turks, are the very descendants of Huns. I know buddy, this hurts a lot, but if u read at least Rene Grousset, Gumilyov, Babcock, the book "Turkish World", the book by Oxford - "the Fall of The Roman Empire" you will get information from foreign authors that huns actually our ancestors.
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Originally posted by Ariston Ariston wrote:

Russians are Finns?
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Sorry, previous post got to wrong topic!
Should be -> Russians are Finns?
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We cannot consider Russia as one big nation. There are are hundreds of small different people groups. Slavic, Finno-Ugrian, Turkic, Mongolic etc...

http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/introduction.shtml

But if we think the heart of Russian area around Moscow to St.Petersburg (European Russia):

The Kyivan "Rus Chronicles" which contain the famous "Povist Vremenykh Lit" by Nestor tells very clearly that the Russian nation is descended primarily from Finno-Ugric tribes and not Slavic tribes. These Finno-Ugric tribes are identified as the Chud, Ves, Meria, Muroma, Cheremysy, Mordva, Perm, Pechera, Yam, Zymyhola, Kors, Narova, and Lib. These Finno-Ugric tribes were the indigenous tribes which lived in the area which is now European Russia into which the Slavic tribes of Slovenes and Kryvychi slowly pressed in and eventually became absorbed. It was only because of Kyiv's suzerainty over this small area of today's Russia that the Finno-Ugrians were Slavicized and Christianized and eventually became the heart of what is today Russia, but what was then called at first Suzdalia-Vladimir and later Muscovia. The subsequent rule of the Mongols over this area had according to some Russian historians as much or greater impact on the Russian culture and psyche than did the period of Kyivan rule. These Slavicized Finno-Ugrians at first were called Muscovites during the Mongol rule and later during the reign of Peter I changed their name to Russians. The southern Slavic people (Ukranians) still call northern Russian people as Finno-Ugors or/and Muscovites.

This is what geneticists from the Magadan Institute of Biological Problems of the North tell us; they have learnt that the succession of Russians from the Novgorod Oblast is most distinctive. This is brought about by the close vicinity of the Finnish-Ugorsk peoples, who, from time immemorial when the ancient population was formed, have had a noticeable influence.

Scientists conducted their research in Novgorod Veliki and the Volot settlement, on the border between the Novgorod and Pskov oblasts. They took blood samples from 80 volunteers from each populated location, Russians from the mother's side in a minimum of two generations. From the collected blood samples they isolated mitochondrial DNA and looked for genes in this DNA, which is spread among the populations of various regions of Eurasia. It transpires that individual groups of genes found in the residents of Novgorod, are a characteristic feature not of Russians, but for the Northern Finno-Ugorsk people of Eastern Europe - the Finns, Udmurts, Maris, and Komi-Zyryan. This means that these and other peoples like them played a part at some time in the creation of the population on Novgorod soil. However the genetic influence of Novgorod people on Russians from other regions is not that similar. The research has shown that residents of Volot are clearly distinguished from the Stavropol and Kursk populations, while the population of Novgorod Veliki is clearly distinguished from that of the Krasnodar and Stavropol districts and of the Kursk and Kostroma oblasts.



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The Hsiung-nu's wide lands eventually centered from the Tat'ung to the Ordos regions, especially during Motun's reign. Eventually the Northern and Southern branches held different emipires and the south became vassals of the Han. When the Northern Hsiung-nu lost power subordinates such as the Hsien-pi defected south. Some of the Hsiung-nu moved west into the Syr Darya during the second century. Most likely it is these Western Hsiung-nu, who mixed with various locals, that became the Huns. In 160 was the first notice of the Huns around the Aral sea and the Ural region. This process Turkified Inner Eurasia. By the time of the GokTurk empire Turkish language had dominated the central and western steppes.
 
After the demise of the Northern Hsiung-nu, the Chinese described most of her border neighbors as Hsien-pi. They were once part of the Hsiung-nu empire but were originally from Manchuria. They were part of a Tung-hu confederations that was defeated by Motun the Hsiung-nu. The language of the Hsien-pi was closely related to later Mongolian and Kitan.
 
The ethnic name 'Mongol' was actually a much later creation during the pre-reign of Cengiz Khan. However, earlier forms of Mongolian were spoken along with earlier forms of Turkish at the time of the Hsiung-nu.
 
The designation "Hu" refers to 'Horse riding barbarians' in Chinese. Having already mentioned the Hsiung-nu, we can now look at the others. The Tung-hu were 'eastern barbarians' around modern day eastern Mongolia. The Yeuh-chih dominated the Kansu region. Eventually most tribal affiliations were dilluted under the banner of one governing clan yet with multi ethnic peoples. Further to the west were the Ting-ling (Dingling) and later the T-ieh-le, who are linked to the Turkic Oghurs.
 
The course of all of these peoples had an influence over the next millenium. As the Turko (Hsiung-nu) and part of her Mongols (Hsien-pi) moved west into Iran they gathered more peoples and were later known as the Chionites. This name is the precurser to what europeans know as Huns.
 
Later during Khazar power there had been Ugric speaking groups which had bordered her lands. These groups had picked up Turk culture, the most famous being the Magyars. With pressure from the Pechenegs, the Magyars moved further west into lands of the previous land owners,Hun's and then Avars. In the late 10'th century the Magyars established a durable state of Hungary and converted to Christianity in 1000ad under Stephan (Istvan).
 
It would be an act of folly to politicize these events for the sake of nationalist gain. Historical resources should be debated for the sake of validity and reliability. The names of various tribes are recorded by those who kept them (Chinese, Greek and Persians). I hope I cleared the air regarding some of the original locations of the tribes in question. I'm sure many of our members have access to resources and can produce a more detailed description than I.
 
 
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Originally posted by minchickie minchickie wrote:

Quote They, however, called themselves Majars (which was also a Turkic tribe)


I am Hungarians and Magyars are NOT a Turkic tribe. lol. We are a URALIC peoples with our own language. We do not come from turks. Turks liek to claim alot but Magyars are not them. There is no proof even that Huns are Turkic or even North chinese. I believe Huns are also a Uralic people again NOT TURKIC. Hungarians and Turks and Finns are all from Asia but doesnt mean we are all from one Turkic tribe. Before Turks were Mongols and if thats the case them we are all Mongolian!LOL
 
There are many proofs about Hun's Turkicness,read some Turkology books.They come from Xiongnu.
But Magyars are not Turkic,they are Uralic.And their relation with Huns is a little.
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fact is HUNS were HUNS. 
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Quote They, however, called themselves Majars (which was also a Turkic tribe)


I am Hungarians and Magyars are NOT a Turkic tribe. lol. We are a URALIC peoples with our own language. We do not come from turks. Turks liek to claim alot but Magyars are not them. There is no proof even that Huns are Turkic or even North chinese. I believe Huns are also a Uralic people again NOT TURKIC. Hungarians and Turks and Finns are all from Asia but doesnt mean we are all from one Turkic tribe. Before Turks were Mongols and if thats the case them we are all Mongolian!LOL
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Originally posted by huns huns wrote:

  
 
The native land of Huns is today's China. I very much respect the Turk, but you are not Huns.

 
Believe me, the Chinese history begins there where the history of huns comes to an end.
 
 


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Originally posted by uighur uighur wrote:

Originally posted by Rasoolpuri Rasoolpuri wrote:

   What was original homeland of Huns .In which century they migrated from their homeland
    
from what is now eastern turkistan, kazahigistan, kirgistan, turkemistan, and so forth. All the turk countries including Easetern Turksian, the uighurs who stayed the closest to their homeland.
 
The native land of Huns is today's China. I very much respect the Turk, but you are not Huns.


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I very much respect the Turk, but you are not Huns. -Turks are Turks, why we shuld be HUns. It is just when there were not turks, we were Huns
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Originally posted by Balian d'Ibelin Balian d'Ibelin wrote:

Huns were actually Mongols and Nomaden Turkish (Turcoman), they began to Migrate to Central Asia at 50 B.C., then, in 300 AD they migrated to The Russian Steppes, and, in 440s, led by Attila, they attacked Europe. But after Attila successor (Ellak) died, the Hunnic Empire in the west collapsed and the Huns must retreat back to the steppes.
 
While the Hunnic Yeta Tribes, not like their families, they expanded to India (And a bit part of Persia), their first opponents were not the Hindu Indians, but their first enemies were the Yuezhi tribes which exiled to India after the Huns (NOT the Yeta Huns - The Huns which migrate to the Russian Steppes) attacked them and nearly vanished the Yeuzhi tribes from the Earth.
 
The Yue Chi (Kushans) didn't vanish, they were simply absorbed.  Same with the Yeta (which I assume you mean Ephtalite) Huns, or Iranian Huns.  These Huns are said to be actually related to the Yue Chih themselves and were probably a branch that were isolated for a period until finally bursting from the Pamir mountains and invading Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, Transoxiana, and Northwestern India.   
 


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