Top 100 Generals

My other proposal - Jan Karol Chodkiewicz. His the most famous achivement is the battle of Kircholm 1605 (3700 Polish-Lithuanian soldiers vs 11 000 Swedes). But I think that the battle of Chocim 1621 should be esteemed higher than Kircholm. In this battle Chodkiwicz (and his 600 hussars) charged (and defeated) 10 000 Ottomans.

Majkes wrote: Could You describe American's generals on that list and what were their achievments?

Winfield Scott: Distinction in War of 1812, commanded invasion of Mexico in Mexican American War.  The campaign that took Mexico City was brilliantly conducted in the face of superior forces.  Civil War: he devised the Anaconda plan, the overall strategy eventually used to defeat the Confederacy.

Robert E. Lee: Commanded Confederate Army of Virginia.  Absolutely brilliant defense of Virginia for 3+ years, always in the face of superior forces with better equipment and supplies.  Tactical domince.  Probably should be higher.

George S. Patton:  Tank commander in World War II.  Involved in conquest of North Africa and Sicily, then of France.

U. S. Grant: Civil War.  Finally defeated Robert E. Lee.  Brilliant Vicksburg campaign, had a good grasp of modern mass warfare.

Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson: The Shenandoah Valley Campaign in the Civil War was one of the best campaigns ever.  With a small army, he completely baffled and discomfited several forces of superior size, eventually joining Robert E. Lee for the 7 Days Battles.  Had he lived through the Battle of Chancelorsville...the whole Federal Army may well have surrendered.

William Tecumseh Sherman: Another Civil War general of great skill.  Forward thinking leader, became head of army after the war.

George Washington:  Managed to hold an army together in the face of a great power...without his generalship, the United States may never have formed as we know it.  Not the greatest tactician, but understood strategy well.

Nathaniel Greene:  Revolutionary War commander in the South.  Excellent campaigns wearied the British.  Never risked decisive battles, but fought to tire the British.  His success led to the surrender at Yorktown.


Edited by DSMyers1 - 20-Jul-2006 at 19:32

DSMyers1 wrote: Stanislaw Zolkiewski         --      Looks pretty good... but remember, top 100 means an elite level general.  I would have to take somebody off...  I guess he could go on, somewhere around 90.

Edited by ataman - 20-Jul-2006 at 18:24

Well if Karl XII is on the list then he should be equal to Peter the Great.

Edited by rider - 20-Jul-2006 at 18:58

rider wrote: Well if Karl XII is on the list then he should be equal to Peter the Great.   DSMyers: It is Suvorov. Suvorov's accomplishments could arguably equal to Frederick the Great's so I can't tell anything about him...   Anothers from antiquity: how have you missed them: Antiochus III (Ok, was beaten by Superb Romans but was pretty uber himself too) and Ramses II. You must have a pharao... equality...   Maybe you could have a battles won - lost rating? That would make things easier...

Karl XII was the general in the battles; Peter typically let his generals handle the battles.

Suvorov--sorry for the typo.  I still don't think he can move up much.

Antiochus III--I already have nearly as many ancient generals as more modern ones.  And he did lose.

Ramses II was not a great general.  His exploits are not as "great" as they are well publicized.  As for a Pharaoh--I have Thutmose III.

DSMyers1 wrote: rider wrote: Well if Karl XII is on the list then he should be equal to Peter the Great.   Karl XII was the general in the battles; Peter typically let his generals handle the battles.

DSMyers1 wrote: Gustavus Adolphus         Much lower?  I don't think so.  A little lower, perhaps.  He will be below Frederick the Great in the next iteration of the list.  His conduction of the Thirty Years War was very good, and his tactical innovations, including mobile artillery, were VERY important.

And now when I start to consider, why do we use the Latin form of Gustav Adolf??? Ununderstandable.

DSMyers1 wrote: Roman Rożyński   --         I've never heard of him...

Okay, here is the updated Top 100 Generals List

Ranking	Name	Born	Died	Country
1	Alexander the Great	356	323	Macedonia
2	Napoleon Bonaparte	1769	1821	France
3	Temujin (Genghis Khan)	1167	1227	Mongols
4	Hannibal Barca	241	183	Carthage
5	Frederick II of Prussia	1712	1786	Prussia
6	John Churchill (Duke of Marlborough)	1650	1722	England
7	Julius Caesar	100 BC	44 BC	Rome
8	Gustavus II Adolphus	1594	1632	Sweden
9	Philip II of Macedon	382 BC	336 BC	Macedonia
10	Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne de Turenne	1611	1675	France
11	Belisarius	505	565	Byzantines
12	Heraclius	575	641	Byzantines
13	Gaius Marius	157 BC	86 BC	Rome
14	Raimondo Montecuccoli	1608	1680	Austria
15	Scipio Africanus the Older	237 BC	183 BC	Rome
16	Eugene of Savoy	1663	1736	Austria
17	Jan Žižka	1370	1424	Bohemia
18	Subotai		1248	Mongols
19	Sir Arthur Wellesley (Duke of Wellington)	1769	1852	England
20	Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke	1800	1891	Prussia
21	Cyrus the Great	590 BC	529 BC	Persia
22	Tamerlane	1336	1405	Mongols
23	Maurice comte de Saxe	1696	1750	France
24	Aleksandr Suvorov	1729	1800	Russia
25	Suleiman I	1494	1566	Ottomans
26	Louis Nicholas Davout	1770	1823	France
27	Erich von Manstein	1887	1973	Germany
28	Epaminondas	418 BC	362 BC	Greece
29	Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (El Gran Capitán)	1453	1515	Spain
30	Sebastien Le prestre de Vauban	1633	1707	France
31	Lucius Cornelius Sulla	138 BC	78 BC	Rome
32	Thutmose III		ca 1540 BC	Egypt
33	Heinz Wilhelm Guderian	1888	1954	Germany
34	Louis II de Bourbon, Prince de Condé	1621	1686	France
35	Leo III the Isaurian	685	741	Byzantines
36	Khalid ibn al-Walid	584	642	Arabs
37	Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck	1870	1964	Germany
38	Winfield Scott	1786	1866	United States
39	Albrecht Wallenstein	1583	1634	Austria
40	Takeda Shingen	1521	1573	Japan
41	Nadir Shah	1688	1747	Persia
42	Konstantin Rokossovsky	1896	1968	Russia
43	Alexius I Komnenos	1048	1118	Byzantines
44	Maurice of Nassau	1567	1625	Netherlands
45	Tiglath-Pileser III		727 BC	Assyria
46	Janos Hunyadi	1387	1456	Hungary
47	Duke of Parma [Alessandro Farnese]	1545	1592	Spain
48	Toyotomi Hideyoshi	1536	1598	Japan
49	Narses	478	573	Byzantines
50	Qi Jiguang	1528	1588	China
51	Oda Nobunaga	1534	1582	Japan
52	Robert E. Lee	1807	1870	Confederate
53	Claude-Louis-Hector de Villars	1653	1734	France
54	William Joseph Slim	1891	1970	England
55	Charles XII	1682	1718	Sweden
56	Flavius Stilicho	359	408	Rome
57	Oliver Cromwell	1599	1658	England
58	Babur	1483	1530	Mughal
59	Aurelian (Lucius Domitius Aurelianus)	214	275	Rome
60	Jan III Sobieski	1629	1696	Poland
61	Georgy Zhukov	1896	1974	Russia
62	André Masséna	1758	1817	France
63	Robert Guiscard	1015	1085	Normandy
64	Erwin Rommel	1891	1944	Germany
65	George S. Patton	1885	1945	United States
66	Emperor Taizong of Tang (Lĭ ShìMín)	599	649	China
67	Jean Lannes	1769	1809	France
68	Charlemagne	742	814	France
69	Selim I	1470	1520	Ottomans
70	Ulysses Simpson Grant	1822	1885	United States
71	Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson	1824	1863	Confederate
72	Kangxi	1654	1722	China
73	Johan t'Serclaes, Count of Tilly	1559	1632	Austria
74	Stanisław Koniecpolski	1590	1646	Poland
75	Lucius Septimius Severus	146	211	Rome
76	François Henri de Montmorency-Bouteville (Luxembourg)	1628	1695	France
77	David		965 BC	Israel
78	Marcus Claudius Marcellus	268 BC	208 BC	Rome
79	Constantine I	272	337	Rome
80	Sun Tzu	400 BC	330 BC	China
81	Archduke Charles of Austria	1771	1847	Austria
82	Jebe		1225	Mongols
83	Pyotr Bagration	1765	1812	Russia
84	Shaka Zulu	1787	1828	Zulu
85	William T. Sherman	1820	1891	United States
86	Pyrrhus of Epirus	312 BC	272 BC	Greece
87	Trajan	53	117	Rome
88	Scipio Africanus the Younger	185 BC	129 BC	Rome
89	Edward I	1239	1307	England
90	Nathan B. Forrest	1821	1877	Confederate
91	Robert the Bruce	1274	1329	Scotland
92	William the Conqueror	1027	1087	Normandy
93	Ban Chao	32	102	China
94	George Washington	1732	1799	United States
95	Richard I	1157	1199	England
96	James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose	1612	1650	England
97	Nathanael Greene	1742	1786	United States
98	Chandragupta Maurya		298 BC	India
99	Saladin	1138	1193	Arabs
100	Attila the Hun	406	453	Hun

How does that look to everyone?