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    Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 19:53

I saw a Latin Language map which describes Northwest Africa as a word "Amharica" (I think) very similar to "America." There is also an Ethiopian Language with the name "Amhara" or "Amharic."

If the modern word is a phonetical derivative then there could be various origins but... due to America's short and broadly disliked history, some of which is fictitious and some of which is documented in photographs, the origins of the word deriving from this region of Northwest Africa seems more plausible than any other explanation including the Amerigo Vespucci and Norse explanations... and if the word is dated then the others might just be a reference to the previously mentioned location of Amharica.Clap

 
However if the history of America is solely based on slavery and the History of America spreads Westward then one, having origins in the Southwest of America, can only offer you my resentment.
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Britanny in France was even closer, it used to be called Amorica.
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America is a the name given to SOUTH AMERICA by a german geographer in honor to Americo Vespucio. Look that his name in Latin languages was Americo and not Amerigo. Beside, it was common in those day to give the female name of a person to a given land. For instance, Colombia is name after Colon (Columbus), Bolivia after Simon Bolivar, and of course America after Americo Vespucio.

Yes. And I repeat. Originally it was the name of South America.

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That's one, far from proven theory.
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Theory?
 
Jesus! That's the historical fact
 
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Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

That's one, far from proven theory.

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Theory?
 
Jesus! That's the historical fact
 
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If so you wouldn't mind providing evidence then.
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See.

Amerigo Vespucci was an explorer South America and Central America.
 
And the first Map of America does not show the U.S. See:
 
 
 
Now, for the naming of America, see:
 

Amerigo Vespucci (March 9, 1451 - February 22, 1512) was an Italian merchant, explorer and cartographer. He played a senior role in two voyages which explored the east coast of South America between 1499 and 1502. On the second of these voyages he discovered that South America extended much further south than previously known by Europeans. This convinced him that this land was part of a new continent, a bold contention at a time when other European explorers crossing the Atlantic Ocean thought they were reaching Asia.

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Vespucci's voyages became widely known in Europe after two accounts attributed to him were published between 1502 and 1504.[1] In 1507, Martin Waldseemüller produced a world map on which he named the new continent "America" after Vespucci's first name, Amerigo. In an accompanying book, Waldseemüller published one of the Vespucci accounts, which led to criticisms of Vespucci as trying to usurp Christopher Columbus's glory

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Simply finding another source that states the same theory as you, also without any evidence, doesn't constitute proof.
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I don't know. Maybe you are right, and America comes from the expression "Ah! Eric got" which used to mean in Greenlander, "Eric the Red got it (Vinland)". LOL
 
I am just repeating was it has always been know: that Vespucci explored South America and that there he realize he was seen a New continent. And that a German map maker put that land on the map with his name, because he though he was the first to visit it, or at least the first to realize it was a New continent. And that continent was South America.
 
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Appealing to faith? That's what people have always thought, so I'll believe it too.
 
 
 
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Amen, dear brother.
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I don't know. Maybe you are right, and America comes from the expression "Ah! Eric got" which used to mean in Greenlander, "Eric the Red got it (Vinland)". LOL
 
I am just repeating was it has always been know: that Vespucci explored South America and that there he realize he was seen a New continent. And that a German map maker put that land on the map with his name, because he though he was the first to visit it, or at least the first to realize it was a New continent. And that continent was South America.
 
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Ha! I like that, Pinguin. I'm a Yank and I live in Amerigo.Smile


I've always been puzzled (yes, this is off topic, and if the thread starter objects I'll shut up) about the term "Vinland" in the Vinland Sagas such as Grænlendiga Saga and Eirik's Saga. The only known Viking settlement in North Amerigo, I mean North America, is in Labrador, far above the northernmost latitude of the native grape.


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Well, I don't know, but a settlement of Vikings was found in New Foundland.
 
Now for the term Vinland or "wine-land". I doubt there is any parr equivalent to the European wine parr which is native to the Americas. So it has to be a plant which is SIMILAR to a parr but not necesarily a real parr.
That's quite common. During colonization Europeans usually named different plants with the same name of one they knew before. And don't forget Norses used very misleading names for theirs lands. Remember they called "Green-land" a land which is always covered by snow. They have a Real State salesman attitude LOL. So, perhaps Vindland have not parrs at all.
 
Now, for guessing, I bet what the norse found were berries. Canada has lots of varieties of berries, and any fruit can be used to produce liquor.
 
In any case, I am almost certain that if Vinland is not L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland it should be a close location somewhere in Canada.
 
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I stand corrected. It's Newfoundland, of course.

Native grapes don't grow much farther north than Maine, I think, so perhaps it was other berries.
Or perhaps they were as you say, early real estate salesmen.Smile

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Do you have info on "native grapes" of the U.S.?
 
Are they real grapefruts that existed before European contact?
 
That's interesting.
 
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They are real grapes of the genus Vitis and were here before the Europeans.

They are called "wild" grapes or "fox" grapes where I live in New England.

The most common variety here in the North is Vitis labrusca.

These are slipskin grapes, unlike the European wine grape (Vitis vinifera, I think), and taste nothing like the European grape.

They are used mainly for making grape jelly. The flavor is pungent and not pleasing to some European palates.

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Yes you are right and that's amazing! In South America we don't have native grapes so I assumed there were not native grapes in the Western Hemisphere, and I was wrong

I did a google search and I found these species:
 
 

Many species of grapevines exist and these include:

This is vitus labrusca:

Concord grapes
 
And this is vitus riparia
 
What about Vitis Riparia? It says it grows North of Quebec!
 
So Vikings knew what they were talking about after all LOL
 
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Well, it says "north TO Quebec." The southernmost boundary of Quebec, with Vermont and New Hampshire, is on the same latitude as south central Maine.

As far as table grapes, even fully ripe labrusca is much more sour than vinifera, not as sour as a lemon, but still sour.

I've never seen Vitis riparia. This variety grows near water.

It occurs to me that I don't know whether New England Indians made use of this fruit.

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Then, there still exist a change to discover the real Vinland south of Newfoundland. if so, the post found in Newfoundland could be just a secondary settlement. Any clues of the location you have heared?

That's really amazing!
 
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