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    Posted: 28-Feb-2009 at 12:57
This is a rather silly topic, but rather something that fascinates me.
 
It seems that many steppe nomads practiced wife-snatching. That is kidnapping women to become their wives. The mother of Ghengis Khan was kidnapped, and so was his wife but was later rescued.
This tradition also seemed to be rather widespread among Kazakhs and Kyrgyz peoples.
Some anthropologists claim that the practice of wife-snatching was a means of ensuring a certain degree of gene exchange between the otherwise small tribes.
 
How often did this practice take place? Until which century was it still common practice?
 
 
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It's not a custom restricted to central Asia.

I seem to remember the early Romans indulging in it.

Quote Tell you about them sobbing women
Who lived in the Roman days
It seems that they all went swimming
While their man was off to graze
Well, a Roman Troop was riding by
And saw them in their me-oh-my
So they took them all back home to dry
Least, that's what Plutarch says

Oh, yes, them a-women was sobbing
Sobbing, sobbing fit to be tied
Every muscle was throbbing, throbbing
From that riotious ride
Seems they cried and kissed
And kissed and cried
All over that Roman countryside
So don't forget that
When you're taking a bride
Sobbing fit to be tied
From that riotous ride

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It was a custom ( known as 搶婚 ) among Mongol nomads pre-13th century.
 
The attitude was more a " conquest mentality " of tactical warfare not anything else suggested.
 
Genghis Khan's mother was snatched from Mierqi Clan ( 篾儿乞部 ) & his own wife was snatched by the same Mierqi Clan ( 篾儿乞部 ).
 
 
 


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It still takes place in most Turkic societies, there is even a rich folklore about it LOL folk songs, dances, traditions. Some areas and families even practice a staged version and some do it as a custom.

However, "wife snatching" shouldn't be misunderstood, its not kidnapping a woman against her force Tongue

This tradition came into being when a boy and a girl love each other but the girls family disaprooves, maybe the boy is poor, maybe they just don't like him and sometimes he has to proove himself to get the girl and can proove it by doing this.

The funny thing is, when it happens after a while the families welcome them back and accept them as if they in-directly approve of it and they like that the guy showed some guts.


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In Poland and Ukraine there appears to be a tradition in weddings which might have originated from wife-snatching. The Brama or Gate.

In Poland this is where the grooms party is stopped by the family of the bride, challanged and identified as friend or foe.

Traditionaly the challange was about making sure that the grooms party has good intentions and was not there to kidnap the girl. The brides family was armed with weapons.

To pass the grooms party tries to bribe their way past the gate. Tradionally the first bribe is always refused. Eventually after some argument, the bribe is increased and the groom and his party are allowed to pass. The bribe usually consist of bottles of vodka.

Today the whole challange of course is done in fun, however it does seem to originate from something more sinister.

In the Ukraine: (quoted from http://www.brama.com/art/wedding.html )

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. . . after which the mother of the groom dispatches him and a special train (poizd) to the home of the bride.

This train is met with mock resistance, especially at the gates of the bride's house, and the groom has to pay a ransom, usually horilka and small amounts of money. After the ritual resistance, the groom's wedding train is admitted, and after further demands for payment from the groom, permitted to join the bride's family at the table . . .





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Something similar happens in Romania also, at different stages of the ceremony.

At first, when the groom arrives at the house of his wife-to-be, the family of the bride offer him an old lady, pompously dressed, presenting her as the wife. The groom will naturally reject her and demand to see his wife-to-be. Only then does she emerge from hiding.

Later, during the feast following the wedding ceremony, the bride is "abducted" by some of the guests (usually young men), who then negotiate with the groom the return of the lady. The ransom is usually alcohol ;)


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What hasn't been mentioned is its prevalence(along the Turkic custom) among the Caucasians(Caucasus). There too it demonstrates to the brides family the suitors resourcefulness, bravery and gallantry.
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