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    Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 03:50
The origins of warfare has been a big research interest of mine lately, and I plan on writing a piece on the origins of war for AE this summer. My personal opinion on this is that warfare began sometime before or shortly after the the beginning of the hunter-gather era, even though that is somewhat hard to prove due to the murky time period I am dealing with.  I was going to play it and see where it leads from there in terms of how warfare evolved. This is only beginning for me though in terms of being a project, due to me just finishing school and finding the time to do research and write.

However what is everyone that is interested opinion on the origins of warfare and to an extent how it has evolved.
 

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Hello, I think warfare originated long before the evolution of Homo sapians. Other species also practice "warfare". Take different ant colonies or different species of insects for example. Although nonhuman, there always was and is a stiff competition for resources between living things. There are many documentaries I have seen, where different clans of gorillas and chimpanzees attack each other, steal and pillage their resources, and kill the young. Similarly, our primitive nonhuman ancestors may have practiced this type of "Tribal Competition". This, in turn, fully developed into the organized warfare that we see today.
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I'd agree with Jallaludin.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

I'd agree with Jallaludin.


I do as well; borders are just a newer form of territorial piss-marks.
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If you are writing a paper on it Kevin, then a general introduction taking in the natural world, especially Chimpanzees and their 'territorial pissings' (I think that's a Nirvana song) would be sufficient to enter into semi-recorded human experience. Some quasi-scientific statement about the increasing need for humans to safeguard their own possessions from others, the birth of property and the ware economy would also be fan-dabby-dosie.
 
 
*War economy. The ware economy would be an interesting spin off though Wink
 


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The origins of war goes back to natural history... Something I know nothing whatsoever about. Why not examine the role of war with the birth of the classical civilisations?
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Or if you believe in God then the first ever war was fought among the angels. Whereby St Michel defeated Lucifer.
 
Personally though I'd go with the comments above about ants, termites and chimpanzees.
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..John Keegan dealt with this topic in a pretty decent fashion in 'A History of Warfare'...not everything he wrote in the book will perhaps be agreeable, but highly readable and very thought provoking if your interested in approaching this subject....
 
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I'm not sure a more difficult question might not be the origin of peace.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Etnad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jun-2009 at 11:34
I'd say you need to search in human psychology to find the answer.
I think war evolves from man's wish for more.


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