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    Posted: 12-Mar-2009 at 06:02
The US is now trying to flog their super hornets to Greece. stick with the Euro canards, the US sold the second best F16 when Greece wanted something closer to the blk60 - so now shop elsewhere


ST. LOUIS --- Boeing announced today that it will promote the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet as the next-generation fighter for the Hellenic Republic (Greece).

"We are pleased to offer the Hellenic Air Force the advanced combat capability of the Block II Super Hornet," said Dan Korte, vice president and general manager of Global Strike Systems for Boeing Integrated Defense Systems. "In addition, we look forward to furthering long-term partnerships with the Hellenic government and aerospace industry."

The Super Hornet, with core strengths in both performance and technology, is the most advanced multipurpose strike fighter in production today, with a proven performance record through more than 500,000 hours of flight time. It is operated by the U.S. Navy and is currently being built for the Royal Australian Air Force.

The aircraft is the first operationally deployed strike fighter to incorporate next-generation capabilities, such as the Raytheon APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar integrated with advanced electronic-warfare systems. The Super Hornet program has continued to add capability to the aircraft while decreasing cost over its lifetime.

Boeing has delivered more than 380 Super Hornets to the U.S. Navy, all on or ahead of original production schedule. Australia is procuring Super Hornets to bolster its fleet of F/A-18 Hornets. Boeing is in discussions with several other international customers about their interest in procuring the Super Hornet.


www.boeing.com/news/releases/
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Has been some time since I last posted here, so I'll try to sum up what happened so far (not much really):
-The PzH2000 and M109A3GE2 deal seems to continue well, as the preliminary agreement was signed some time ago by the defence mininster
-Greece canceled the competition for a naval cooperation aircraft, because only two companies made offers, and only one was quilifiable. For the time Greece uses the one operational P-3 left and one adapted C-130 (which belongs to the airforce) for the role. (That's bad news if you didn't understan it)
-The BMP-3 deal has stuck. No news from there
-An interesting piece of news reached the press. Supposedly, the coucil of the navy decided to increase the number of frigates to 16 in the future, because the current (14) are not enough.
-The AH-64 Apache are being eventually accepted into service.
-Fro the 4 U-214 submarines, the one (Papanikolis) will not be accepted into Greek service, while the rest three will. Greece will build a new U-214 in Papanikolis' place, while the german shipyard are free to sell Papanikolis to whomever they want.

That's what I remember, perhaps I'm forgetting something.

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I did forget two things: 1) One F-16 Block 50 was lost, because a bird flew into the engine. The pilot ejected from the plane safely, but the plane crashed, some km south of Ioannina.
2)All M-60A3 have now been retired, and put into long term storage. They were the last american tanks in service in mainland Greece (some 400 M-48 remain in service in the aegean islands and cyprus)

 


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How about new rifles for Greek army? Afaik there was a plan to buy G36 from H&K.
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I think I have ben asked this question before. Yes, Greece had decided to buy 112,500 G36 rifles back in 2005(?) but the deal was never closed. Afterwards in the 5 year armaments plan the fund for the the new rifle was postponed for the second phase (after 2010). Which means that for now nothing can be expected. Nonetheless, there is great scepticism on the rifle and more on the calibre (5,56mm). American companies have developed new calibres (6,5mm and 6,8mm) which have much greater performance, and will propably be adopted by NATO in the future. So, buying a rifle in 5,56 now may not be wise.

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Originally posted by xristar

 
-Fro the 4 U-214 submarines, the one (Papanikolis) will not be accepted into Greek service, while the rest three will. Greece will build a new U-214 in Papanikolis' place, while the german shipyard are free to sell Papanikolis to whomever they want.
That has got to be embarassing  for highly rated German technology companiesOuch. I wonder if the rejected submarine will be offered to Pakistan or Israel as part of their submarine purchase contracts. Even then, how does one unload a submarine that was rejected by a previous customer (except at a huge loss)?
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Originally posted by Cryptic

Originally posted by xristar

 
-Fro the 4 U-214 submarines, the one (Papanikolis) will not be accepted into Greek service, while the rest three will. Greece will build a new U-214 in Papanikolis' place, while the german shipyard are free to sell Papanikolis to whomever they want.
That has got to be embarassing  for highly rated German technology companiesOuch. I wonder if the rejected submarine will be offered to Pakistan or Israel as part of their submarine purchase contracts. Even then, how does one unload a submarine that was rejected by a previous customer (except at a huge loss)?

There has been a long debate on Papanikolis (the prototype U-214), because Greece found it did not conform with the standards that the company siad it did (mainly its stability). The german company fixed it, but then still Greece refused to accept it, causing quite some frustration to the germans. For what it's worth, the greek Chief of Navy admitted that as it is now, Papanikolis is within the standards set, but Greece prefers to build a new one.
The original design was indeed faulty, though I don't think that's so surprising, even for the germans. Every new weapon has issues at first.

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