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Regarding dog-fights I think that the game ends when a pilot locks the enemy. When an air plane is locked (by the target system) the systems of that plane inform the pilot that is locked. So the pilot is retreating. If the pilot that has been locked by the enemy is not retreat then typicaly he should be destroyed. But until now nothing like that has occured.
 
Regarding OYK (batraxia) i think that now only permanent soldiers and officers can join that. And the applications are many. To choose they have the devils week. I know that they send the candidates in a small island with very little food and drink, and they have to be awake for the entire week. Whoever sleeps is rejected. For example from 100 candidates only the 10% finishes the training.


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There is a company in Larissa called "Soukos Robots SA" that made a cotract with Raytheon to sell anti RPG technology for passive protection of vechicles. The contract is 31000000 usd.
 
http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=112,dt=18.01.2007,id=93242772
 


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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Haha, Alexander would be laughing his ass off...
 
 
 
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Elli class frigates.
Greece has 10 or 11 Elli class frigates in addition to their better 4 Meko-200 class frigates.
A variety of systems allows Elli class frigates to engage a wide range of targets.
Most of the helicopters shown earlier are configured to work with these ships.
 
Examples of Elli class frigates...
 
HS Aegeon:
 
 
 
HS Bouboulina:
 
 
HS Kanaris:
 
HS Bouboulina launching:
 
 


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Originally posted by Patrinos Patrinos wrote:

Their alternative name is "vatrachanthropoi" because their are a little bit amphibious. There are many rumors about their training, something more than tough, and thats why from 2002 when they renamed into Δ.Υ.Κ. only lifers can enroll.
 
 
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Submarine hunting P3 torpedo aircraft:
 
 
 
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Etna class support vessel (middle).
Etnas support other ships & aircraft by refueling, re-supply, repair, etc.
Aboard is a fully equipped workshop, hospital & other facilities.
 
 
To the left of the Etna is an Elli class frigate & to the right a Meko-200 class frigate.
Different angle & expandable for details: http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/images/Photos/medium/kataigis05_09.jpg


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S-300PMU-1 is not an direct equivalent to the PAC3 (rather the S300MU-2 would come close and the S-400 would be on par).
It is the equivalent of a PAC1-2. It can however be upgraded into the newer versions.
 
I'll add a picture of the slightly more advanced S-300PMU-2 battery which shows the radars they use. If anyone wants to know why the turks threatened preemptive strikes to make sure this system didn't get to Cyprus look at these radars, they aren't even happy thy are on Crete!
 
(these could be the same for the version used by Greece except the tin shield radar was used before the big bird and what model greece has could be one or the other) the newer big bird gives it a ABM capability and has no direct western equivalent.
  • the "Clam shell" radar is used for low level (cruise missiles, UAV etc), hence it tall masted mount
  • the "big bird" (F-band) 3D acquisition radar is used for long range early warning and search, for medium to high altitudes. i know the earlier "tin shield" can track around 100 targets
  • "Flap lid" is the real fire control piece, can target six target concurrently with two missiles. (the Hellenic system could use its replacement 'tombstone" radar)
The clam shell is apparently very hard to jam and resistant to heavy clutter or chaff. These radars when combines give a long range all altitude coverage in a severe ECM environment, in other words very hard to beat.


The missiles
"The S-300PM/PMU-1 introduced the 48N6 which has much better kinematics – cited range against aerial targets is 81nm (150km), ballistic missile targets 21.5nm (40km), with a minimum engagement range of 1.6 to 2.7 nautical miles. Low altitude engagement capabilities were improved – down to 20 to 30ft AGL. The missile speed peaks at 2100 metres/sec or cca Mach 6. The missiles can be fired at three second intervals, and Russian sources claim a single shot kill probability of 80% to 93% for aerial targets, 40% to 85% for cruise missiles, and 50% to 77% for TBMs." Link
 

What did Greece order?
no one really knows, its top secret but most sources would have it between 6-12 launchers.

"The Russian contract with Cyprus to supply the S-300PMU-1 has not been made public, and reports conflict on how many batteries Cyprus has purchased. Russian news media speculate that the contract includes the delivery and deployment of three batteries, with each battery including 12 launchers. A source close to the Russian military leadership said the contract includes one battery comprised of 20 or 24 launchers. Turkish military experts reportedly believe that Cyprus purchased 24 launchers, while Greek news media say that Cyprus has purchased three S-300PMU-1 batteries. MIT Center for International Studies analyst Dan Lindley estimates that Russia has sold "perhaps eight to twelve S-300 surface to air systems to Cyprus." The Sunday Times of London reports that Cyprus has ordered "up to 70 missiles from the Russians, with as many as 12 mobile launchers." In 1994, the State Committee of the Russian Federation for the Defense Industry reported that the purchase price of an S-300PMU-1 system was $91 million. This figure and the estimated $400–600 million value of the Cyprus contract suggests that Cyprus has purchased between four and six S-300PMU-1 firing batteries. Steven Zaloga, a senior analyst with the Teal Group and correspondent for Jane’s Intelligence Review, reported that "The size of the order has not been disclosed but is probably only a few firing batteries." It is not clear whether Cyprus is acquiring C3 components and hence the overall effectiveness of the batteries is uncertain." link

"For a long time it was believed that the contract with Cyprus provided for the delivery of only one air defense system. However, later Kommersant Daily that was well informed about the details of the crisis in Cyprus reported that in fact 2 systems for $230 million had been delivered. Thus, total exports of S-300PMU/PMU1 in the 1990s comprised 10 systems for over $800 million (minimal press estimates of $780 million and maximum $900 million)." Link

video of the system.


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Originally posted by Patrinos Patrinos wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 
Although underwater demolitions is their main function, they also help CG board ships to catch smugglers, etc.
 
 
 


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what is the main assault weapon of Greek land forces?
man,the uniforms are exactly the same as the Turkish Army.if a war occur(i hope it will not) how will they identify friend or foe? even the Special Forces uniform is the same.
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Originally posted by Batu Batu wrote:

what is the main assault weapon of Greek land forces?
 
Man, they use several.  The G36 isn't bad.  I like the see-through magazine.
 
 
Checking mag during target practice:
 
I'll post some of the other assault rifles soon.


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Is the G36 Greek-made?
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Batu, this is the main unit of the air force (F-16 Block 52+).
 


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Originally posted by konstantinius konstantinius wrote:

Is the G36 Greek-made?
 
By Ellinika Amyntika Systimata under license from Heckler & Koch, the German designer. Wink
 
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Nice!! It's good to see that there is some domestic production of weapons: it saves on money and reduces the dependency.
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The period that i was in the army the main weapon was the G3.
G36 (5.56 millimetre) replace G3 (7.62 millimetre) in 2002.
 
 


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Originally posted by konstantinius konstantinius wrote:

It's good to see that there is some domestic production of weapons: it saves on money and reduces the dependency.
 
konstantinius, most of their foreign-designed stuff is manufactured in Greece under license.
For example the Leopard 2A6 HEL tank made by ELBO.
 
 
Some say it's (presently) the top tank.
 
 
 
 
 
 
ELBO also makes Greece's version of the hummer but with improvements:
 
 
And something ELBO recently proposed to the Greek & other governments (below):
 
 
 


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Below, a different ELBO product.
 
Kentavros APC:


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Greek C-130H evacuating people from Lebanon during the last conflict:
 
 
At the same time, the Greek navy bringing in aid:
 
 
 


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Coat of arms of the Greek Army.
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