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ANZAC-class frigates
 
Multi-purpose frigates; anti-air, anti-ship, anti-submarine, anti-everything...
Built in Australia by Tenix.  Based on the Meko-200 design.

Designations:
FFH-150 Anzac
FFH-151 Arunta
FFH-152 Warramunga
FFH-153 Stuart
FFH-154 Parramatta
FFH-155 Ballarat
FFH-156 Toowoomba
FFH-157 Perth

Armaments:
1 Mk 45 Mod-2 127 mm rapid fire main cannon.
1 thirty-two-cell vertical launching system for SeaSparrow SSM & ESSM (missiles).
2 four-cell Harpoon Block II missile launchers.
2 Mk 32 triple-mounted torpedo tubes.
6 heavy machine guns.
1 or 2 helicopter.
 
Note-worthy systems:
Saab 9LV Mk 3E combat management system.
Raytheon CW Mk 73 fire-control system.
Saab radars.

ANZAC frigate FFH-154 Parramatta (in the foreground):
 
 
Collins class submarines
 
New subs built in Australia by ASC.  5th generation in a Swedish design line.
Quiet & high-tech surveillance/combat equipment.
In a recent mock battle with the United States, the Australian Collins subs "sank" 2 American subs + 1 carrier, lol.
 
Designations:
SSG-73 Collins
SSG-74 Farncomb
SSG-75 Waller
SSG-76 Dechaineux
SSG-77 Sheean
SSG-78 Rankin
 
Armaments:
6 torpedo tubes.
Mk 48 wire-guided torpedoes.
Harpoon missiles.
 
These subs can go into silent mode by running on a new type of batteries.
 
SSG-73 Collins:


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Our clearance divers.
 
These guys are our rough equivalent to the USN Seals except ours  are trained to do a wider range of tasks. 
"Naval Station Pearl Harbor, Hawaii ­ Able Seaman Adam Hubbard, attached to Australian Clearance Diving Team One, based out of Sydney, participates in a simulated Vehicle Board Search and Seizure (VBSS). The team fast roped out of a SH-60 from HS-2, onto the USS Valley Forge, an Inact ship, during the training. The Australian Clearance Diving Team One is deployed to Hawaii in support of Exercise Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC). U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jennifer A. Villalovos.Link





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Weapons from the navy website (i forgot what a treasure trove that is).
 
Harpoon launchers on FFH-152 HMAS Warramunga:
 
Torpedo launch:


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Armidale class patrol boats.
 
New boats built in Australia by Austal.
Used for patrolling the vast coastline, surveillance, and transport/accommodation of up to 20 commandos.
 
ACPB-83 Armidale:
 
Designations:
ACPB 83 Armidale
ACPB 84 Larrakia
ACPB-85 Bathurst
ACPB-86 Albany
ACPB-87 Pirie
ACPB-88 Maitland
ACPB-89 Ararat
ACPB-90 Broome
ACPB-91 Bundaberg
ACPB-92 Wollongong
ACPB-93 Childers
ACPB-94 Launceston
ACPB-95 Maryborough
ACPB-96 Glenelg
 
 
Armaments:
1 Rafael Typhoon 25 mm gun (shown above).
2 MG (12.7 mm).
 
 


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I'll try to find some information on the carriers we're building. Last I checked they were still deciding whether to go with the super carrier or the two smaller battle-carriers. Personally I think the battle-carriers are alot better, but they don't have as much "cringe-factor".
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Originally posted by Zaitsev Zaitsev wrote:

I'll try to find some information on the carriers we're building. Last I checked they were still deciding whether to go with the super carrier or the two smaller battle-carriers. Personally I think the battle-carriers are alot better, but they don't have as much "cringe-factor".

r u talking about those Amphibious assault ships? AFAIK they haven't decided which design yet.

the Spanish 27,000 ton Tenix-Navantia design:


and the 21,300 tonne Thales ADI-Armaris "mistral" class design:


here is the article


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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Collins class submarines.
New subs built in Australia by ASC.  5th generation in a Swedish design line.
Quiet & high-tech surveillance/combat equipment.
In a recent mock battle with the United States, the Australian Collins subs "sank" 2 American subs + 1 carrier, lol.
 
Designations:
SSG-73 Collins
SSG-74 Farncomb
SSG-75 Waller
SSG-76 Dechaineux
SSG-77 Sheean
SSG-78 Rankin
 
Armaments:
6 torpedo tubes.
Mk 48 wire-guided torpedoes.
Harpoon missiles.
 
These subs can go into silent mode by running on a new type of batteries.
 
They're one of the biggest most powerful conventional subs out there.
They were designed during the cold war.  One capability is to be able to sneak all the way up to the Sea of Japan & lay there on the sea bed to wait for Soviet ships.
 
Quote Collins sub shines in US war game
October 13 2002
By Brendan Nicholson
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One of Australia's Collins class submarines has hunted down and "killed" a state-of-the-art United States nuclear submarine in a series of mock attacks during an underwater warfare exercise off Hawaii.
 
Officers in the exercise told The Sunday Age HMAS Sheean had held its own during two rigorous weeks of combat trials with the Los Angeles class attack sub, USS Olympia. The subs had swapped roles as hunter and prey and scored roughly equal numbers of hits.
 
The role of seeking and destroying an enemy submarine is one of the most difficult faced by Australia's six new Collins class submarines. The success off Hawaii in August has boosted morale dramatically among submarine crews who have had to endure years of hearing their boats condemned as noisy and vulnerable.
 
A 1999 report by the then CSIRO chief, Malcolm McIntosh, and former BHP managing director John Prescott said the Collins' combat system should be junked, the vessels were noisy and vulnerable to attack, their engines broke down regularly, a badly shaped hull and fin made too much disturbance when they moved at speed under water, the view from the periscope was blurry, the communications system outdated and the propellers were likely to crack.
 
Commander Steve Davies, chief-of-staff in the navy's submarine force, said that during the past three years those problems had been fixed to the point where the submarines were able to match the best of the US Navy's giant underwater fleet.

During its mock attacks on the Olympia and on two US destroyers, the Sheean fired 28 torpedoes. Commander Davies said "a respectable percentage" of shots Sheean fired at Olympia were hits that would have destroyed the powerful US vessel.
 
Commodore Davies, Australia's most experienced Collins commander, said the two vessels were very evenly matched. The submarines also practised landing special forces.
 
The exercises provided a crucial test for the Australian submarine, which has been as much criticised at home as it has been feted abroad.
The Olympia, 110 metres long and 12 metres across the beam, is twice the displacement of the Sheean, at 80 metres by eight metres. The Olympia carries up to 120 crew; the Sheean 45. Many of the Americans are engineers caring for their reactor.
 
The Collins is powered by diesel and electric motors and its roles include undersea warfare - finding and destroying other submarines - destroying enemy warships and merchant ships, surveillance and intelligence collection, support for special forces and covert transport.
Commander Davies said the US sub's size was not an advantage: "It just means you make more noise when you go faster."
 
He said cooperation with the US submarine force had increased significantly recently. "That has come about because they're interested in the Collins class and in our submarine force generally."
While the Americans run the world's most powerful submarine arm, they acknowledge that changes in international conditions in the past decade and new priorities have left them with tactics to learn from the small Australian submarine arm.
 
Commander Davies said Australian submariners were used to operating in shallow water. "That's one of the things the Americans are looking towards us for experience in.
 
"Ten years ago their submarine force was chasing Russian submarines around the deep ocean. Now, as with all submarine forces, it's more focused on closer inshore operations, intelligence collection or working with special forces. They're looking to us as a submarine force which has a long experience in that sort of thing."
 
The six Collins' combat systems are to be upgraded further and they will get more modern torpedoes. Those the Sheean used in its clashes with the Olympia were developed in the 1970s; the Americans used a far more sophisticated generation.
 
While smaller than the US nuclear boats, the Collins is one of the world's biggest conventional submarines. It was designed to cover long distances and the Sheean easily reached Hawaii without refuelling.
 
and the year after...
 
Quote Collins subs star in naval exercises
By Brendan Nicholson
September 24, 2003
 
Three of Australia's Collins class submarines "destroyed" two US Navy nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier in separate exercises off the Australian coast.
 
The commander of the navy's submarine group, Commodore Mike Deeks, said the submarines performed spectacularly well. In each exercise, the Collins subs, once dismissed as duds, matched state-of-the-art adversaries.
 
On a training course for submarine commanders from the Australian and US navies, HMAS Waller was competing with a US Los Angeles class, fast-attack submarine in three weeks of intensive simulated combat off the WA coast.
 
"At the end of the course, the Americans were wide-eyed," Commodore Deeks said. "They realised that another navy knows how to operate submarines and that the way the US Navy does it is a good way but not the only way. They went away very impressed."
 
Commodore Deeks said the most difficult task a submarine faced was to destroy an enemy sub and the exercises demonstrated that the Collins was a match for a modern nuclear submarine.


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Just don't mention the sea sprite.... idiots....
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Originally posted by Zaitsev Zaitsev wrote:

Just don't mention the sea sprite.... idiots....
 
Haha, what happened?
 
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The "Sea Sprite" helicopters were purchased from the US for the Australian Navy. The government has a habit of buying inferior US equipment when there's perfectly good US or European equipment on offer.

Let me quote: "They don't fly in bad weather, they don't fly at night and they don't fly over water!"
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ANZAC class frigate FFH-153 Stuart:
 
 
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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

ANZAC-class frigates.
Multi-purpose frigates; anti-air, anti-ship, anti-submarine, anti-everything...
Built in Australia by Tenix.  Based on the Meko-200 design.

Designations:
FFH-150 Anzac
FFH-151 Arunta
FFH-152 Warramunga
FFH-153 Stuart
FFH-154 Parramatta
FFH-155 Ballarat
FFH-156 Toowoomba
FFH-157 Perth

Armaments:
1 Mk 45 Mod-2 127 mm rapid fire main cannon.
1 thirty-two-cell vertical launching system for SeaSparrow SSM & ESSM (missiles).
2 four-cell Harpoon Block II missile launchers.
2 Mk 32 triple-mounted torpedo tubes.
6 heavy machine guns.
1 or 2 helicopter.
 
Note-worthy systems:
Saab 9LV Mk 3E combat management system.
Raytheon CW Mk 73 fire-control system.
Saab radars.

ANZAC frigate FFH-154 Parramatta (in the foreground):
 
 
 
Each module is water-tight & almost self-sufficient.
01. Module M6 - Paint store. Rope Store
02. Module M5 - 127mm Gun Turret, Magazine, Spherion Anti Submarine Sonar, Ventilation module
03. Module A6 - Missile Decoy (chaff launchers), Chart House, RAS Store.
04. Module A5 - Bridge, Ops Room, Electronic Compartments, Fire Control System, Officers Accom.
05. Module A4 - Radar Compartments, Air Intakes, Diving Store
06. Module A3 - Exhaust Uptakes, Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missile, RAS Store.
07. Module A1 & A2 - Hangar, Helo Maintenance Workshops, Torpedo Stowage
08. Module M1 - Flight Deck, Dining Rooms, Storerooms, Quarterdeck, Helo Fuel
09. Module M2 - Galley, Accommodation, Diesel Generators, Fuel Tanks
10. Module M3 - LM2500 Gas Turbine, MTU 12V Diesel Engine, Cross Connecting Gearbox, Stabilizers, Fuel Tanks.
11. Module M4 - Accommodation, Diesel Generators, Storerooms, Fuel Tanks.
 
 
 
Bridge of an ANZAC class frigate:
 
Main cannon on FFH-154 Parramatta:
 
Triple torpedo launchers (1 of 2):
 
Harpoon missile launchers on FFH-152 Warramunga:


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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Originally posted by Zaitsev Zaitsev wrote:

Just don't mention the sea sprite.... idiots....
 
Haha, what happened?
 
they wanted to save money, so instead of paying the large upfront on a already advanced lynx derivative they bought refurbished  'super' sea sprites. With the initial savings they then attempted to customise it with very advance electronics. The system has never been built before and with the aussies wanting so many things changed instead of the 'off the shelf' type purchase this was like developing a new system.

The result was a helicopter that is yet to be operational and all the development costs and delays have made it at least as expensive as buying a bloody new one.  They are meant to be for our ANZACS


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The RAN's new tanker...
 
O-266 HMAS Sirius:
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

The result was a helicopter that is yet to be operational and all the development costs and delays have made it at least as expensive as buying a bloody new one.
 
What about the Squirrel? LOL
 


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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

What about the Squirrel? LOL 
 
hind sight is 20/20. Wink

helicopters of the RAN

S-70B-2 Seahawk (these don't have penguins, but the sea sprites will).


the 'super' Seasprite.


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I'm sure we'll eventually get them fixed, but the government's idiocy is still costly and worrying.
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i agree they were a mistake but with so much spent already its almost as silly to dump it right now. Me thinks we wont be so easily convinced on any proposal that zero times an old design for an upgrade.

 My reading of the government talk about this particular case, is that future contracts will be negotiated differently. that is with clear clauses and big penalties on the delivery failures and delays. next time that is.
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The "Adeliade' class FFG (Guided Missile Frigate).

The RAN has six of these multi-purpose warships divided between its two main bases; Fleet Base East in Sydney and Fleet Base West in Perth.

These Adelaide Class frigates are based on the US Navy Oliver Hazard Perry design. The first four ships were built in the USA with subsequent modifications undertaken in Australia. The last two were constructed in Australia with all modifications incorporated. The last three ships are longer than the Oliver Perry class.

Each FFG ship is a long-range escort ship with roles including air defence, anti-submarine warfare, surveillance, interdiction and reconnaissance. The ship is capable of contering simultaneous threats from the air, surface and sub-surface.

Armament:
1 x 76mm/62 OTO Melara gun
1 x Mk13 launcher for Standard SM1 SAM and Harpoon SSM (40 rounds in total)
1 x Vulcan Phalanx CIWS
6 x 12.75" Mk32 torpedo tubes in triple mountings

Aircraft Facilities:
A hangar and flightdeck is fitted for two SH-2 helicopters.

List of ships:
HMAS Adelaide (FFG 01)
HMAS Canberra (FFG 02) - decommissioned
HMAS Sydney (FFG 03)
HMAS Darwin (FFG 04)
HMAS Melbourne (FFG 05)
HMAS Newcastle (FFG 06)
 
 
HMAS Melbourne (FFG 05):
 
The upgrade planned is for 4 out of the six frigates includes.
  • A Warfare Systems Support Centre (WSSC)
  • A cost-effective, low risk upgrade, by retaining and building upon the RAN's significant investment in FFG infrastructure and proven combat system software
  • Significantly improved air warfare combat system performance
  • Significantly improved anti ship missile defence (ASMD)
  • A fully integrated underwater warfare (UWW) suite

Key elements of the upgrade include:

  • Enhanced Command and Control capability, providing more effective integration of new and existing sensors and effectors.
  • Long-range surveillance, target indication and automatic detect and track functions are considerably upgraded, increasing low elevation performance and increased detection range.
  • The Mk 92 Mod 12 Fire Control System is being improved, providing greater lethality against very small sea-skimming missiles in even high clutter conditions.
  • New hull mounted sonars and the addition of passive towed array and helicopter sonobuoys serving a multi-layered approach to the detection and classification of torpedoes.
  • A compact on-board training system, integrated with the existing combat system will be provided, enabling continuation training both in port and at sea to maintain a higher level of FFG operational capability.
  • ability to fire the SM-s standard missile, Evolved sea sparrow

Source: RAN  Source2



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Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

i agree they were a mistake but with so much spent already its almost as silly to dump it right now.
 
We could always sell them back to the Americans for more than what we payed for them Wink


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