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    Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 18:46
One theory states that maori came from Taiwan ,during the hang and then 3 kingdoms period, Hans attacked the native of Southern china, so they migrated to thetaiwan and then moved South.
 
I read the history of three kingdoms, at 3 century , South China was occupied by the Sun family, this family had a long struggle with the native there, finally they crushed the native, the Sun family also send ship to Taiwan. Some theory state that Maori came from taiwan , then moved to South Pacific. During the attack from the Sun family, the Native finally moved to today Fujian, it was their last strong hold, but they were crushed. So it was possible some of them moved to Taiwan and then to Southern Pacific. Sun navy to Taiwan was to chase them.
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no one say something????
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Search about Austronesian peoples and you will find the answer: that theory is nearly impossible.
 
1. They arrived to New Zealand more than thousand years after the time you are refering.
 
2. Maori by languaje and culture are polynesians and the movements of these peoples can be traced across the Pacific and Southeast Asia, until exactly, Taiwan, but the beginning of this movement began 8000 years ago, and they were austronesian peoples, not sino-tibetan like your story.
 
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Those native  who lived in Fujian who was defeated by Sun family  was not Sino-Tibetian , they were  most likely Southern language group, just that Native of taiwan was Southern language group, of course there were other people moved to new zealand, but it was possible that native in Fujian hoad moved to taiwan then to the Southern pacific, they combined with other Southern language enthic group
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The southern group is a branch of sino-tibetan languages; the natives of Fujian was the Min part of that branch, they were the ancestors of most of taiwanese from where developed the taiwanese language. But the first natives who today are only 2% of the population isn't Min but austronesic, they are the true brothers of maoris.
 
Then you have the problem of mainland China cultural items in the Pacific of that time, where are?


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The map below (  there are better ones ) gives some indication of the ancient situation in south china before chinese expansion ( roughly 4 th century BC and after).
 
If  basically right, then : south west china  had tibeto-Burmese languages. In the other southern parts , austro -asiatic languages and  thai-kadai languages .
 
Fujian ( min yue area  )is presented as a question mark . Its between between daic and austronesian regions. They could have been still austronesians ( who, for example had remained on the coast or had settled there ) or daic speakers or maybe included groups of both ( IMO the best option for the time).
 
 
If the ancestors of  the taiwan natives came from south east china, then a linguistic relation with Daic and/or austro asiatic seems more promising than sino tibetan. Not that this automatically means that daic, evolved in austronesian languages or vice versa. A common proto language might have evolved in separate families, as sometimes suggested.
 
Maoris are ultimately  related to  the other austronesians but  in particular to tahitians and Cook islanders. They sailed from there and settled NZ some 1000 years ago.  Long open sea trip, some 3000 km.
 
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but any relation between cook islanders and tahitians with the native of taiwan?

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^Not directly or related to han times.
 
When dealing with histories suggesting early contacts between china ( as geographic area or as chinese state) and places far east of Japan, the Hui-shen account , for example, has more potential. But that 's a whole other topic.
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There is an interesting documentary where two Maori men take a DNA test that points to Taiwan. They go there and find that the Moari culture and native Taiwanese culture share the same customs/art/traditions. Very interestng. I was born and raised in NZ and have many Moari friends (including my gf) but when you tell them they are related to Taiwan they don't beleive it. Interesting stuff. Before the use of DNA testing many thought that the Moaris came from Hawaii or South America.
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