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    Posted: 22-Dec-2005 at 16:58
One of the most interesting people of the mountain valleys of Switzerland are the inhabitanst
of Anniviers.

The swiss history sources regarding them are inexhaustible, but their true origin never has been cleared.Their lifestyle, habits, customs, build, folkmusic, ethnological treasures are alien for the people of Wallis. Because their origin -the solution of the "mistery"- has been searched only amongst neighbouring people close or distant by the historians living in the vecinity of them,a conclusion never have been reached.

The hungarian Horváth Mihály in the magazine "Századok" (Centuries),from 1881,in the article
"Egy kis hun-kérdés több nagy között" (A little hunnic question among other greater) consider them the descents of the huns. This view he supports with the fact that this strange people consider and considered themselves the descendets of the huns. He writes about them in the followings:

"They say they are the descendents of the old huns. This little tribe lives in the Wallis canton, made up of 4-5000 souls,considering themselves too the sons of the huns and speak a peculiar language,in other ways you can hardly distinguish them from the other inhabitanst of Wallis .The majority of them have lightblue eyes or grayish green eyes,blonde or brown hair, with large
and bony forehead, with a slightly outstanding yoke-bone. They have a common nose,broad chin, proeminant shoulders and neck and they are in general low
statured.

Their language -which is on the verge of dying out due to the spread of french language and culture-is disimilar to any european language and also never have been studied thoroughly nor their customs, but what the world have learned about them supports in some way or degree what they say about themselves.

It is an extremly interesting fact that at burial they weep and shout besides the dead for hours ,and after the burial they have long and vivid feast,and for last they have a tendency for wandering.

Some of the placenames have totally   hungarian sonority like .Penszék, Kuimez, Luk, Náva, Návaszék, Kalló, Barma, Feja etc.It would be a great loss if their languge would die out, before experts would have the occasion to study it in a detailed way. "

In the past they did not intermarried with the outsiders.
Anton Karl Fischer writes about them :"With the strangers they are open,friendly and hospitable and never subserviant,they are self-conscious
and free of pride." The arhitecture,insulation,cover material,the shindeling of their houses is the same one used also by the székelys (szeklers in their english name).

In their tales Kurtaczavas is a name for night spirit,also Ladonna,Follaton. Tupil is the bad spirit.
Gargantos is the giant.

The inhabitants of Annievers valley lived for a long time isolated from the people living in the neighbouring valleys,especially isolated form the
inhabitanst of Rhône valley.To this contributed to
a great extent the inaccessibility of the valley. This isolation lasted for centuries,so the people of
the valley could rely only on themselves and their isolation from the Rhône valley was total until
the 18 century. In 1834 Val d'Annivierst was hit by a natural disaster,huge floods and avalanche inundated the valley causing great damages. The self-recpecting people of the valley refused the charity saying "we are able to overcome every adversity of the fate through
our own power "

Mark Theodor Bourrit,the chorister of the cathedral from Geneva writes in 1781 how much trouble was for the bishopric of Sion the people of Eifisch-valley (Val d'Anniviers) who were pagan and stubbornly sticked to
their pagan religion when all the Wallis was christian since a very a long time.

What does the history tell us about them?

Every historical source agrees that the inhabitanst of Eifisch-valley (Val d'Anniviers) were christianed later then the other inhabitants of Rhône-valley.
Sigmund Furrer writes in Geschichte, Statistik und Urkundensammlung (Sitten) ,1881, that the Eifisch-valley was conferd as feudal tenure in XI century by one of the
ancestors of Savoya counts ,Ulrich for his bishop nephew Aimo II as reward for the christening of the valley.
The legend of conversion to christianity of the Eifisch-valley was written by Mario (Troillet) in 1889 with the title: Un vieux pays, croquis valasians.

The research ( non-hungarian ) regarding the origins of Val d'Anniviers did not succeeded ,due
to also to the fact the researchers did not know hungarian.Unfortunately their language died out,we are in the last minute, but we can reach the
past in their family names and placenames.

J. J. Rousseau born in Geneva writes about them in the XVIII century:
"The annievards are very simple,exceptionaly dilligent,the idleness is unknown for them. They are very simpatic very hospitable even if they are
very modest. They can sunnily support the greatest unjustice . They have this ability for a long time,which was developed by the obligative adaptation to their hostile sorroundings since old times "

Mark Theodor Bourrit writes in 1781 in Description des Alpes Pennines et Rhetiennes (Genéve)that "a hunnic fraction found refuge in the valley ,at the beginnings in a very primitive situation,very hardly reached the point to become a very go-ahead people   "

A swiss history book written in 1786 mentions the name "Tschudi" as a member of swiss federal council . According to the author "this man is foreigner,
he could be a 'madschare' who got in the captivity of the allemans in the time of roamings, about them we know they   often ravaged in those times the
abendland provincies from Hungary "

A german traveller relates this about them (this account is retelled by Toldy Schedel Ferenc in Hun maradék a helvétiai havasok -Hun remaining in swiss alpines ):
"Among the people of the fair from Sion the traveller's attention was arouse by the particular features of peasant woman who was selling besides some wares pieces of ores collected in the mountains and she did not speak neither french,nor german or italian but an alien, ununderstandable dialect. A priest,the parish priest of the nearby lying Hérémence village (probably Grimentz) told to the traveller that she is his fellow countrywoman, both had been born in Anniviers valley (in german Eifisch) . The public holds that they are of asian origin,the remainings of Attila's army who raided this region ,from the fields of Piemont they had to withdraw in the mountains,in uninhabited valley "

Horváth Mihály was the first who checked the parish registers of Vissoie village which contained the oldiest family names of the village,the earlier registers probably were distroyed by fire. This book contained the names of baptised,married ones,dead ones,of wittnesses at marrieged. He found 50 names simmilar to hungarian names between them names like Bartha, Bond (apears also in the Székely chronicler ),Rua (the name of Attila's uncle ),Kálló (apears also in the Székely chronicler)

The name of their villages(in hungarian spelling):

Penszék, Viszój, Ajer, Grimencz, Prász, Major, Külmez, Luk, Návaszék.

Penszék as they say is their oldies place ,(the szeklers name their places with -szék in the end ) it lies on the top of a mountain,fen in hungarian is up ,Fenszék in hungarian expresses well this.

Luk is a very secluded,isolated,hided village lying in a hardley accessible valley.Lyuk in hungarian means hole,this expresses well it.

The name of the mountaine ridges
Ponset; Sándolin; Tinyózsa; Ruaz; Tónó; Barnózsa,Irek, Vujbe, Bendéle, Cziruk, Czászele

The names of revulates:
Navezsencz, Gugra

The name of the pastures:

Tarampon, Labarma, Leszeitisz

Some Words:
viez=viz water
borra = boru         &n bsp;      sadness
feja = fejos         & nbsp;       milking ,in milk
vujku = kuvik         & nbsp;      owlet
dorbade = dorbézolás debauch

Mitological names:

Gargantoa, Tupil, Ladonna, Kurtaczavas (the hungarian csorvás), Follaton

They had the burial after feast custom which was not usual in Wallis.

The true researcher of the valley was Anton Karl Fischer,the transylvanian saxon scientis-engineer, who published in 1896 the monography:
Die Hunnen im schweizerischcen Eifischtale und ihre Nachkommen bis auf die heutige Zeit.
This is the bible of every Einfish valley researcher. Everybody uses this as source basis.

He writes about their language that they do not know the nasal voices and they pronouns the words simmilar to the hungarian ear.He writes "their language was peculiar language a dilect slighly different from hungarian". He also their tendency to use double vocals like the szeklers.


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Source:

This is a partial translation of
KISZELY ISTVÁN: A SVÁJCI "HUN VÖLGY" (THE SWISS "HUNNIC VALLEY")


http://mek.oszk.hu/01500/01522/index.phtml



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"Accidents" does not exists, but only unknown logical necessities.
The "turn" in the research of Val d'Anniviers was signified by the test conducted by Dr. Jean-Marc Caloz the local doctor of Vissoie during which he collected blood samples from the aboriginals of the valley.
 The samples were sent to Osaka for professor Hideo Matsumoto.
The blood samples testify that a part of the aboriginal people carry inner asiatic gene markers, which is not characteristic for European population, but is typical for the territories from were
the huns came,at the same time occurs in the old countries of hungarians and avars. (Gm marker research pointed out that the Gm abst and Gm afb3 gene markers occuring among Hungarians are missing among other European populations. International mitochondrial DNA research has also recently identified additional Central Asian characteristics among Hungarians).  This facts only lead us to the conclusion that the ancestors of anniviards are not ancient europeans but huns or avars or they are the remains (living in Switzerland) of the conquering hungarians.
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A most interesting article, a very strange story, but somehow plausible. Huns in Switzerland, who would have thought.
It reminded me of the story I heard in Yugoslavia about some Celtic elements surviving in the very remotest areas of Montenegro or there abouts, entire village with people with pale skin and red hair. Don't know if its apocryphal or not, but fascinating anyway.
Maybe one day, we will discover an entirely Vandal village in the deserts or mountains of North-Africa.
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It is interesting. What is sure, they're non-Indoeuropean. I think they are more Hungarians than Huns because Huns rarely visited this territory, on the other side Magyars attacked Southern German and Northern Italian territories during the first half of the 10. century, so they could settle in Switzerland. Perhaps the people of this valley are the descendents of a Turkic element of the Hungarin foederation, e. g. the Kavars.

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