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    Posted: 16-Aug-2008 at 03:37
I was reading "Constantine Palaelogus 1448-1453; The Conquest of Contantinople by the Turks." By Chedomil Mijatovich

I found this at the end of the last chapter. I realize this is reprint of a book first published in 1892 so maybe the quote below is totally off.

"In the neighborhood of the Weffa-Mosque, in a yard surrounded by the dwellings and huts of poor artisans, there stands an old willow (long gone by now) whose branches are wreathed round by a profusion of climbing roses and wild vines.
In the shadow of this tree a slab of white marble without any inscription covers a grave, at whose head an oil lamp is lit every evening. (most of the Greeks have been gone since 1955 and 1960-61 so even if it existed few would remember it.)
The spot ought to be hallowed to everyone who respects faithfulness to duty and patriotism, and who has sympathy with the single hearted hero fo a great historic tragedy. The slab covers the remains of the last Greek Emperor, the patriotic and brave Costantine Dragasses.

It is most likely a legend or the site has long since disapeared. If I could have found his grave I would have visited it while I was in Istanbul and put a rose upon it. Does anyone know if this is true or only a legend???????????? If it still exists has anyone visited hid legendary grave?

Edited by eaglecap - 16-Aug-2008 at 03:43
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I read Mijatovic's book (which is over a century old now). I found it very unconvincing in its tone, biased and quite inaccurate at times. I think the man most likely is going on popular folklore rather than hard facts. It is more probable that the grave of Constantine XI will never be known, as no reliable historian has reported anything other than the Emperor's body being unidentifiable among the general mass of fallen men.

Still, this is an interesting find eaglecap. And there is no way I can say 100% it is inaccurate. I can only say there is a high probability that Mijatovic has his facts wrong.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI

I read Mijatovic's book (which is over a century old now). I found it very unconvincing in its tone, biased and quite inaccurate at times. I think the man most likely is going on popular folklore rather than hard facts. It is more probable that the grave of Constantine XI will never be known, as no reliable historian has reported anything other than the Emperor's body being unidentifiable among the general mass of fallen men.Still, this is an interesting find eaglecap. And there is no way I can say 100% it is inaccurate. I can only say there is a high probability that Mijatovic has his facts wrong.


Thanks Constantine XI. I figured it was based upon folklore and most likely the body was never found. Since he dressed as a common soldier maybe the body is in an unknown mass gravesite. For those of us with Byzantine roots he is a hero but even if there is no grave we can all remember him in heart and spirit; the man who defied the Ottoman Empire. I tend to think Mijatovic relied mostly upon the primary sources of his time concerning this epic battle. I wish they would make a movie about the last Emperor but rather than seeing history altered and butchered I rather not.
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I have read "The Immortal Emperor" which provides several theories about the fate of Constantine XI.

Did they even find the body? That seems to be up for debate.

I am reading "The Fall of the Byzantine Empire" by George Sprantzes and he says that Mehmet allowed the body to be buried with all rites but many scholars seem to doubt this story.

I know there is a statue of him somewhere in Greece but where-????? I never saw it in Athens so it might be elsewhere.

For me, he is a hero to all Greeks!!
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Perhaps, it is better that he died with his body unknown.
 
Some things are better served as legends :)
 
In many ways, Constantine Paleologus Dragases was a summary of all Christian peoples fighting against the Ottoman Turks since he had in him Armenian, Greek, Anatolian, Italian, BUlgarian and Serb blood. Very fitting.
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Originally posted by eaglecap

It is most likely a legend or the site has long since disapeared. If I could have found his grave I would have visited it while I was in Istanbul and put a rose upon it. Does anyone know if this is true or only a legend???????????? If it still exists has anyone visited hid legendary grave?


The legend says that Turks from the ...begining...1453...looking for Konstantinos Palaiologos' grave, but they can't find it. The legends also says that Konstantinos is marbled "Marmaromenos 
Vasilias
" until the day that he wakes up,have a liturgy in Hagia Sophia, and send the Turks back to "Kokkini Milia"-"Red Apple-tree",which is the mythological place of origin of the Turks,somewhere in Asia.
  This is one of the many legend-prophecies about Turks and Constantinoupolis,
that even if they seem weird today,they were very important and widespread , during the Ottoman yoke, in Greece.

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Perhaps, it is better that he died with his body unknown. 
Some things are better served as legends :) 
In many ways, Constantine Paleologus Dragases was a summary of all Christian peoples fighting against the Ottoman Turks since he had in him Armenian, Greek, Anatolian, Italian, BUlgarian and Serb blood. Very fitting.


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Constantine Dragases had ancestors which were mixed themselves.
 
His ancestors:
 
Anna of Hungary
Maria of Armenia
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Originally posted by eaglecap



I know there is a statue of him somewhere in Greece but where-????? I never saw it in Athens so it might be elsewhere.



No, it's in Athens, all right. Outside the Church of the Metamorphosis. I have a photo I took of it when I visited Athens (I stumbled across it by accident - I wondered aloud who it could be a statue of and one of the locals said "Last Emperor, Constantine" - and then I saw the plaque.

BTW, to complete the pair, on the same trip I also took a photo of the *First* Constantine's statue, outside York Minster, in England.
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I remember reading that he turned into a marble statue by an angel and that the statue was buried under the gate until  but thats just folklore. I've often wondered if he managed to escape?


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I always assumed his burial place was unknown as his body was tossed into a massed grave. Would be interesting if they found the place where he was burried. I have just returned from Istanbul, what an awesome place. It sux that the Turks are letting alot of the Byznatine stuff decay.

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I was unaware that Constantine Dragos had other ethnicites in him as well. I know for sure that he is half Serbian though. Interesting.
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I was unaware that Constantine Dragos had other ethnicites in him as well. I know for sure that he is half Serbian though. Interesting.
 
I don't think he saw himself in that manner to begin with.
 
Also, there isn't a person in the Balkans that does not have about 10 different ethnic, tribal groups that he is desceandent off.

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