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    Posted: 18-Aug-2007 at 15:03


  Could the Dogon be Descendants of Ancient Egyptians?






The precise origin of the Dogon, like those of many other ancient cultures, is undetermined. Their civilization emerged, in much the same manner as ancient Sumer, both sharing tales of their creation by gods who came from the sky in space ships, who allegedly will return one day.

The early histories are informed by oral traditions that differ according to the Dogon clan being consulted and archaeological excavation much more of which needs to be conducted.

Because of these inexact and incomplete sources, there are a number of different versions of the Dogon's origin myths as well as differing accounts of how they got from their ancestral homelands to the Bandiagara region. The people call themselves 'Dogon' or 'Dogom', but in the older literature they are most often called 'Habe', a Fulbe word meaning 'stranger' or 'pagan'.



Certain theories suggest the tribe to be of ancient Egyptian descent - the Dogon next migrating to the region now called Libya, then moving on to somewhere in the regions of Guinea or Mauritania.

The religious beliefs of the Dogon are enormously complex and knowledge of them varies greatly within Dogon society. Dogon religion is defined primarily through the worship of the ancestors and the spirits whom they encountered as they slowly migrated from their obscure ancestral homelands to the Bandiagara cliffs. They were called the 'Nommo'

Allegedly, when the Dogon left Egypt, they brought with them sacred knowledge in the form of oral traditions, perhaps handed down by the ancient priests of Egypt.

The Dogon creational tale is laced with metaphors that are similar to other legends of creation throughout the world. One need only compare them and understand their metaphoric content, to understand the nature of our reality, past, present, and future.

According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe.

He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. [This is a metaphor for one source/soul splitting into two - yin /yang, when it enters into the electromagnetic energies of third dimension. See Tween flames.

One twin rebelled against the order established by Amma, thereby destabilizing the universe. [The focus in our duality has always been to restore balance, through healing, especially as many myths foretell that at the end of time there will be a judgement day.]

In order to purify the cosmos and restore its order, Amma sacrificed another of the Nommo, whose body was cut up and scattered throughout the universe. This distribution of the parts of the Nommo's body is seen as the source for the proliferation of Binu shrines throughout the Dogon region. (This is similar to the story of Isis- Osiris and Horus

Astronomy

The Dogon are famous for their astronomical knowledge taught through oral tradition, dating back thousands of years, referencing the star system, Sirius is the dog star. It is linked with the Egyptian goddess Isis. The astronomical information known by the Dogon since that time, was not discovered and verified until the 19th and 20th centuries, making one wonder how the Dogon came by this knowledge. Their oral traditions say it was given to them by the Nommo. The source of their information may date back to the time of the ancient Egyptian priests.


 

Exiled Egyptians By an Egyptian Author Moustafa Gaddalla



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I suppose anything is possible. If Indoneseans could navigate across open ocean to end up in Madagascar, I suppose there could have been a group of people from the Nile Valley who for whatever reason migrated West.

The Roma people originated in Northern India and have migrated throughout Europe and the Middle East.

However, I do not believe that the Egyptian people picked up one and all and moved West.
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Originally posted by Rakasnumberone Rakasnumberone wrote:

I suppose anything is possible. If Indoneseans could navigate across open ocean to end up in Madagascar, I suppose there could have been a group of people from the Nile Valley who for whatever reason migrated West.

The Roma people originated in Northern India and have migrated throughout Europe and the Middle East.

However, I do not believe that the Egyptian people picked up one and all and moved West.



of course. maybe a just small group of people.
im confused about this though I read gaddala book and I didnt understand a couple  things he said.

but there always that possibility.
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What did you find confusing?
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I would say that it is very unlikely at best. Why would the Egyptians leave behind the lush banks of the Nile, to traverse 4000 Km of the harshest environment on Earth and finally settle in a remote area of Mali? To my knowledge, there are no linguistic connections that would show the Dogon language to be derived from Egyptian. Nor is the Dogon religion similar to the Egyptian one. The creation story in your post is actually quite different from the Egyptian myth of Osiris, where Osiris was killed by his brother and resurrected by his sister. The only part that's similar is the idea of the body being cut up in pieces; but then again this is a common enough theme: see the Babylonian myth of Tiamak being cut up by Marduk, or the Chinese myth of Pangu's body parts becoming parts of the Earth.

Also, the whole Sirius B story was later shown to be a hoax perpetrated by a European. There was no ancient knowledge of the double star, only an ambitious adventurer who wanted to make a name for himself by bringing back a fabulous story from a "primitive" people...

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According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=43794

From the Dogon we find out how the entire galaxy is structured. It is told by the Dogon, suddenly the Po burst forth and eight new seeds were created, Amma planted these seeds in his egg near the clavicles of Po, with these eight seeds, Amma intended to create eight celestial beings, four males and four females. The Dogon call these beings Nommo Anagonno, best translated as the word (Nommo- see the connection to our word NUMBER?) - that became the fish-man (Anagonno) the Nommo are the first beings (these are in essence the Anunnaki, Enki was also perceived as a half-fish and half-man), created by Amma and they are said to be amphibious, celestial creatures....



This image was taken from a book by Drunvalo Melchizedek titled as The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life and he also makes that connection that the Dogons were somehow related to the ancient Egyptians.

The following image is taken from a Rock Art finding in Macedonia, South East Europe. It resemles the Tree of Life and it was carved on a rock in the village of Vojnik, central Macedonia.



The carved image:



To me it resembled the Nommo image from the Dogon cave.

I wonder what could have been the connection between the two of them?

Take a look at these links:

http://www.unet.com.mk/ancient-macedonians-part2/spomenici-e.htm

Signs of Civilization: International Symposium on the Symbol System of Southeast Europe

http://www.archaeomythology.org/events/events_serb04_bios.html





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Tree of life? Ygdrasil?
 
That's an universal symbol. Mayans also believed in the Tree of life, like Norse and many other peoples around the world.
 
Looking for conexions because similarities in shamanism is worthless, simply because shamanism is one of the oldest knowledge of human beings, and probably developed BEFORE man went out of Africa.
 
To say two people are related because they have the same shamanistic symbol is as conclusive as to say they are related because both have bows and arrows or sprear throwers... Most ancient people around the world did.
 
If anything I would hope to find descendents of Egyptians south from Egypt rather than West. There are certain Egyptian cultural pattern preserved down south, like a board game, for instance, whose name I can't remember.


Edited by pinguin - 22-Dec-2007 at 14:12
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Unusually, I agree with Pinguin. There is nothing here that can't be most easily explained as a coincidence. There are wackier theories out there than Egyptians crossing the Sahara and moving to West Africa. It could happen. But there needs to be more evidence.
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