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An axe as the throwing weapon is cheaper, has better speed on throwing & would pierce the armour, as against a knife.
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The main throwing weapon (don't counting the bow or the crossbow), at least in the western world until the XIII century, was the javelin.
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Originally posted by Ikki Ikki wrote:

The main throwing weapon (don't counting the bow or the crossbow), at least in the western world until the XIII century, was the javelin.


Right, A javelin is unbeatable at that, but it's more of a long range weapon whereas the axes are used for throwing over shorter distances, without much movement of the thrower himself.
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I'm not sure about that, to launch a javelin for short distance i think is not very different from launch an axe. The question is i think that the javelin is cheaper than the axe and very powerful too with pierce capabalities very high (because the great dimensions of the projectil) Althought, the franks for example had both axe for throwing (the Francisca) and javelins (the Angon if i remember well). The first more famous than the second.
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The axe is swung around many times before launching giving it much greater force than the javelin.
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Here we need good studies, but i think the javelin have better piercing capabilites, at the moment that the entire power of the dart is concentrated in one and small point, contrary to the axe. We must add that the throwing axes wasn't usually very big, the francisca i think 1-1'5 kgms, against the smallest javelin of... 1 metre lost the game; althought without doubt is better than darts of 0'5 metres like the roman plumbatae.
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I forget it, the range of the throwing axe is very short, according with an study that i rode only could fly 3 metres by round, with a maximum of 12 metres and 4 rounds. It's very short range in comparation with the great javelins as the heavy pilum with ranges between 15-30 metres, and of course very far from the light javelins.
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Right the axe was essentially a short range throwing weapon trying to combine the piercing / cutting effect with the stun effect.
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The Javelin is more capable of killing its target than the Throwing Axe, since the Throwing Axe could be thrown with a high possibility of not even meeting its target properlly.



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Originally posted by Penelope Penelope wrote:

The Javelin is more capable of killing its target than the Throwing Axe, since the Throwing Axe could be thrown with a high possibility of not even meeting its target properlly.



That is not the point of a throwing axe.  It does not matter if it does not hit its target, even if it hits the ground it can bounce off it and fly at you.  The moral of an army would surely diminish if they saw hundreds of axes flying at them.  The javelin has a totally different purpose.


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It does not matter if it does not hit its target, even if it hits the ground it can bounce off it and fly at you. 


Confused is that the new secret weapon fo the Franks, the heat-seeking throwign axe? Tongue
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by Darius of Parsa Darius of Parsa wrote:

It does not matter if it does not hit its target, even if it hits the ground it can bounce off it and fly at you. 


Confused is that the new secret weapon fo the Franks, the heat-seeking throwign axe? Tongue



No,  but the Franks did make the francisca, which upon hitting the ground had a tendency to ricochet and hit the enemy.  This was due to the way the francisca was made (the weight, balance, the slight curve of the shaft, shape, etc).






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While the sword may demonstrate more finess, and double up as a defensive measure, I imagine the axe allows you to deliver more powerful single blows.
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Originally posted by Darius of Parsa Darius of Parsa wrote:


No,  but the Franks did make the francisca, which upon hitting the ground had a tendency to ricochet and hit the enemy.  This was due to the way the francisca was made (the weight, balance, the slight curve of the shaft, shape, etc).


how in the world would that be even physically possible?
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

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No,  but the Franks did make the francisca, which upon hitting the ground had a tendency to ricochet and hit the enemy.  This was due to the way the francisca was made (the weight, balance, the slight curve of the shaft, shape, etc).


how in the world would that be even physically possible?


How is skipping a rock physically possible? The shape, weight, and the way you throw it makes it skip.
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no, it's because of the tension of the surface of the water first of. but axes are sharp they'll get stuck in whatever they hit. i don't know if you have ever attempted to throw axes, they don't do what you claim and even if they would be thrown in a way they would ricochet they would lose the direction and energy to do real harm.
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

no, it's because of the tension of the surface of the water first of. but axes are sharp they'll get stuck in whatever they hit. i don't know if you have ever attempted to throw axes, they don't do what you claim and even if they would be thrown in a way they would ricochet they would lose the direction and energy to do real harm.


So you are saying I can skip a gigantic boulder or a bumpy rock just because of surface tension? They do take safety precautions, and there is a certain distance between the target and thrower and the viewers.  The axes are not designed to ricochet, Temujin, the francisca and other battle-throwing axes were.
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bring me a single evidence of this. no it is not possible, how would it be? if it would ricochet off the groudn or anyhtign else, it would also ricochet off the men you throw them at. throwign axes are designed to get stuck, not to ricochet.
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The francisca is suppoposed to ricochet off the ground, they tested them on the history channel, I repeat go to wikipeia and type in francisca.


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