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Are you serious? stop provoking me .

Greece doesn't have enough museums to host Greek finds but they have built one especially for Parthenon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Anton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Dec-2007 at 22:07
Originally posted by akritas akritas wrote:

And the question is .......where is this firman if we speak with jurisprudential terms ?

If we speak in jurisprudencial terms -- there should be no court due to long time passed.
 
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Since when is international law the not excistance of the Greeks in 19th century? LOL LOL
 
You have annoying habit to put wrong words in the mouth of your opponent and then triumphally disprove them.  Do you see the difference between terms  "Greece" and "Greeks"?
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Originally posted by Anton Anton wrote:

I didn't mean you but the whole thread. My argument is not that poorly formed. I am not professional and might be wrong but I suggest that there is no such a thing to claim a heir based on geographical principle. One of the examples is forbidden topic in this very forum Wink
 
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Originally posted by olvios olvios wrote:

Are you serious? stop provoking me .

Greece doesn't have enough museums to host Greek finds but they have built one especially for Parthenon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I am not provoking you but try to illustrate how ridiculous are Greek claims:
1. Greece have no legal rights to claim Parthenon Marbles. They belong to United Kingdom as she bought them from a private owner who obtained them with a permission of the ruler of Ottoman Empire -- recognized state.
2. Greece has no moral right either as she:
a) does not have enough museums to expose them according to your own words.
b) is not willing to expose other cultural herritage found in her lands
c) some other issues can be applied here such as for example destroying cultural herritage of other nations during extensive "hellenization" of the north of Greece after WWI and WWII. I perfectly understand that these "other nations" did the same but it is not important in this particular case.
 
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So if British Museum ever returns Parthenon Marbles to Greece (which I of course wish to all my Greek friends) it will be only a fine gesture from the british side.

Edited by Anton - 08-Dec-2007 at 22:24
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c) some other issues can be applied here such as for example destroying cultural herritage of other nations during extensive "hellenization" of the north of Greece after WWI and WWII. I perfectly understand that these "other nations" did the same but it is not important in this particular case.


Is this really where you want this thread to go?
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Originally posted by Vorian Vorian wrote:


Is this really where you want this thread to go?
 
If you read my previous post  you will see where I want this thread to go.
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By saying about "hellenisations of territories" you don't help the situation. Many are hot-headed about this issue, both Greeks and British let's not make statements that can provoke stupid discussions.

Legally it's true that Greece has no claim on the marbles, but morally it does, it's not about a few coins and statues, but a part of a building.

We don't demand all Greek antiquites to be returned to Greece, this would be wrong.
You don't see Greeks asking the Nice of Samothraki or Aphroditi of Milos from the Louvre do you?
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b) is not willing to expose other cultural herritage found in her lands

Such as...? I know many monuments from Venetian domination and Ottoman period which are protected by natural deterioration and are exposed to visitors...

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Originally posted by Anton Anton wrote:

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It is not nationalist argument it is international law. There are plenty of nationalists arguments in well know site though Wink


International law? I suggest you one thing: Scarmentado (1756) by Voltaire...

Anton, your disputes with Akritas do not need to go over the rest of the Greeks.

At least I would appreciate that.


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Originally posted by Vorian Vorian wrote:


Legally it's true that Greece has no claim on the marbles, but morally it does, it's not about a few coins and statues, but a part of a building.



A building that will someday be restored, wheather it is in 50 or 100 years. If something will be missing, it will be those marbles.

I'm for the circulation of historical artifacts all over the world. There're so many things that are unexhibited, that the Brittish museum would not miss the marbles nor any other museum of the world.


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Ten pages of this! Has somebody around here lost their marbles?
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Originally posted by elenos elenos wrote:

Ten pages of this! Has somebody around here lost their marbles?
 
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Originally posted by elenos elenos wrote:

Ten pages of this! Has somebody around here lost their marbles?
The Parthenon !!!
 
 
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OMG, the Parthenon has lost it's marbles!
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Can I ask 1 simple question...

Is there anyone in here that believes the marbles shouldn't put back in place one day when hopefully the Parthenon will be restored? I'm talking about the temple not be placed in a museum...


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Originally posted by elenos elenos wrote:

OMG, the Parthenon has lost it's marbles!
Grin  replies? Well, with people interested in such a cultural issue, you will not have any, I assure you. Debate perhaps, but not malicious responses.
For the Greeks   might be a cultural issue but for the British  is the issue of profit  because without the Parthenon marbles the British Museum would not be so visitable.
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Originally posted by akritas akritas wrote:

For the Greeks   might be a cultural issue but for the British  is the issue of profit  because without the Parthenon marbles the British Museum would not be so visitable.
 
Akritas, do you really believe in this? LOL Last time I was in British Museum I saw people not only in Parthenon Marbles but all other halls as well.
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Laughter is considered as a malicious response? What a wonderful way of winning people to support your cause! 
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Dear friends,
 
I'm new at this forum so I don't know what other members said before. I only have a question......why not make a poll here to see what most people think ?? What's wrong with this ??
 
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