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    Posted: 15-Sep-2008 at 05:19

Can anyone tell me anything about them?(please go into detail) and did any of them see action?



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Do you mean tank destroyers or what? i know during world war 2 the germans had a tank called Maus that reached prototype stage but the the war finished before it could see any action. I should also say it was too cumbersome by practical reasons and a nightmare by logistical reasons. It had armor as thick as 60 - 240 mm.


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Cool. No I'm not talking about tank destroyers


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IMO i thought near the end of the war Hitler had some realy "Star wars imperials" idea's about tanks and airplanes he was forcing development of tanks that seemed fearsome because they were huge but in reality were not practical.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cezar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Sep-2008 at 13:37
The Soviet T-35 is considered a Heavy tank but it's very close to what super heavy was considered by the Germans, French, British and Americans before and during WWII.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Maus and Maus II (Mouse) would be your best bet. Search on them. I have an Estonian article about them that I read in some place but I won't bother finding it for you. 
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I have this KV-VI images and wanna share.
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The first prototype was completed in December 1941 and was rushed into the defense of Moscow. In its first action during a dense winter fog, the rear turret accidentally fired into the center turret. The resulting explosion completely destroyed the vehicle. The second prototype was completed in January 1942, and was sent to the Leningrad front. This one had indicators installed to show whe another turret was in the line of fire. In its initial attack on the Germans, the tank broke in half when crossing a ravine. A spark ignited the leaking flamethrower fuel and the resulting explosion completely destroyed the vehicle. The third prototype, shown here, had a reinforced hull and was also sent to the Leningrad front in early 1942. It did manage to shoot down three German aircraft. In its first ground engagement, the KV-VI was firing on German positions when coincidentally all of the guns fired from the 3 O'Clock position a the same time. The tremendous recoil tipped the tank into a ditch and the severe jostling set off the 152mm ammunition, which completely destroyed the vehicle. After these failures, Stalin cancelled the project, and many of the design team members spent the rest of their lives in the Gulags of Sibera. The KV-VI was nicknamed "Stalin's Orchestra" by the few Germans that encountered it because of the variety of weapons it deployed.

I really wonder that story and image is true or not?


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^ That is one cool looking contraption!
 
The AmericanT-28 was a superheavy.
 
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The T-28 was a prototype tank destroyer rather than a tank.  It's fixed armament had no barbette and the speed was quite slow.  Its main purpose would have been to provide an armored anti-tank gun for infantry support as it was too slow to keep up with armored formations.
 
Tanks are cavalry.  Without speed and mobility they are just self propelled infantry support guns.  Things like Stalin's Orchestra may have been design fantasies to try to keep the engineers out of the front line....same with some German wonder weapons.
 
 
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I see your point about the cavalry bit and it is correct. This was a tank destroyer. It's still cool even though such things were specifically forwarned against by our Count in this topic.
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:

Tanks are cavalry.


tanks are not cavalry. horses are cavalry. tanks are armoured vehicles on tracks with guns. tank destoryers are another kind of tank.
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:

Tanks are cavalry.


tanks are not cavalry. horses are cavalry. tanks are armoured vehicles on tracks with guns. tank destoryers are another kind of tank.


Obviously, I think pikeshot meant Tanks were the modern day cavalrymen. Instead of pulling out a single statement and making it seem like he meant it literaly next time quote his whole post.
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Yea I heard about the Maus it was going to weigh like 120 tons and have like a naval cannon as it's turret 200-300 mm. I wonder if the prototype still survives?
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This wasn't a superheavy tank, but the Russian had also developed a flying tank that you could put wings and a temporary propeller on. They were going to be used to rush into Berlin before Germans had warning but I think the program was scrapped because by that time the Russian were alreay a stones throw from Berlin.
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

This wasn't a superheavy tank, but the Russian had also developed a flying tank that you could put wings and a temporary propeller on. They were going to be used to rush into Berlin before Germans had warning but I think the program was scrapped because by that time the Russian were alreay a stones throw from Berlin.
 
The Reds were going to call it "Mighty Maus."  Big%20smile
 
 
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Originally posted by Sun Tzu Sun Tzu wrote:

Yea I heard about the Maus it was going to weigh like 120 tons and have like a naval cannon as it's turret 200-300 mm. I wonder if the prototype still survives?
 
The Maus was originally planned to use a 128mm gun the same as the one on the jagdtiger. This would of been eventually replaced by a 150mm gun. The funny thing about this 200 ton project is that its secondary armament would of been a 75mm gun. There is a combonation of the 2 known prototypes in a russian museum somewhere. Though not sure how accurate the combonation is. 
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wow so there are prototypes left? thank you for correcting me on on the cannon size after I submitted my reply it did seem a bit farfetched in size. A 300 mm cannon would have crazy recoil and if recoiless probably move the tank.
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the msueum with the Maus is called Kubinka near Moscow.

Originally posted by Husaria Husaria wrote:


Obviously, I think pikeshot meant Tanks were the modern day cavalrymen. Instead of pulling out a single statement and making it seem like he meant it literaly next time quote his whole post.


cavalry has no modern day equivalent, just because some modern branches particularly in the US use traditional name for those new branches, like Air Cavalry and Armored Cavalry, doesn't mean they ARE actual cavalry or their sucessor. even Armored Cavalry techncially are not tanks as they have no tracks, they are armoured cars.
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I didn't mean it that way. What was cavalry used for back in the day? a mobile shockforce using impetuous to turn the tide, i dont see how that role is much different from todays modern tanks. I was saying cavalry isnt the same thing as tanks but fulfills the same role.
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i completely disagree Smile
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