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    Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 15:08
the magnificent is the best sultan he was capture rhods ,belgrade and destroy hungarian army at mohacs and take iraq from persian
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After a failed expedition in 1441/1442 against Belgrade, the Ottoman sultan Murad II signed a ten-year truce with Hungary. After he had made peace with the Karaman Emirate in Anatolia in August 1444, he resigned the throne to his 12-year-old son Mehmed II.

Despite the peace treaty, Hungary co-operated with Venice and the pope Eugenius IV to organize a new crusader army. On this news Murad was recalled to the throne by his son. Although Murad initially refused this summoning persistently on the grounds that he was not the sultan anymore, he was outwitted by his son who on the news of his refusal wrote to him: "If you are the sultan, lead your armies; but if I am the sultan, I hereby order you to come and lead my armies." Murad then had no choice but to reclaim the throne.

A mixed Christian army consisting mainly of Hungarian and of Polish forces, but with detachments of Czechs, papal knights, Bosnians, Croatians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians and Ruthenians, met with a numerically superior force of Ottoman Turks. The Hungarians were ill-equipped, and promised support from Wallachia, Albania and Constantinople did not arrive. They had promises from Venetians that their fleet would not allow Turkish army to cross the Bosphorus. The 30,000 Crusaders were overwhelmed by 30,000 Turks. Over half of the soldiers from the united army perished.

The defeat ended any serious attempts to prevent the conquest of eastern Europe by Turks for several decades and the death of Wladyslaw III in the battle left Hungary in the hands of the four-year-old Ladislaus Posthumus of Bohemia and Hungary.

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I read his biography and in my opinion he was a great military leader.
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He was also a great Persian-speaking poet, we use some of his poems as proverbs, such as the second part of this one:

Dideh az atash del gharghe dar ab ast
Kar in chesmeh ze sarchemeh kharab ast

(From the fire of heart, eye is drowned in the water
The problem of this fountain is in the fountainhead)

By: Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent

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Yeah, Ottoman padishahs were usually masters of more than three languages: Real Turkish, Arabic, Persian, French? etc.

Kanuni wrote lots of poems including Turkish ones, Persian ones and some in Ottoman Turkish.



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Originally posted by Ahmed Abbas Ahmed Abbas wrote:

After a failed expedition in 1441/1442 against Belgrade, the Ottoman sultan Murad II signed a ten-year truce with Hungary. After he had made peace with the Karaman Emirate in Anatolia in August 1444, he resigned the throne to his 12-year-old son Mehmed II.

Despite the peace treaty, Hungary co-operated with Venice and the pope Eugenius IV to organize a new crusader army. On this news Murad was recalled to the throne by his son. Although Murad initially refused this summoning persistently on the grounds that he was not the sultan anymore, he was outwitted by his son who on the news of his refusal wrote to him: "If you are the sultan, lead your armies; but if I am the sultan, I hereby order you to come and lead my armies." Murad then had no choice but to reclaim the throne.

A mixed Christian army consisting mainly of Hungarian and of Polish forces, but with detachments of Czechs, papal knights, Bosnians, Croatians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians and Ruthenians, met with a numerically superior force of Ottoman Turks. The Hungarians were ill-equipped, and promised support from Wallachia, Albania and Constantinople did not arrive. They had promises from Venetians that their fleet would not allow Turkish army to cross the Bosphorus. The 30,000 Crusaders were overwhelmed by 30,000 Turks. Over half of the soldiers from the united army perished.

The defeat ended any serious attempts to prevent the conquest of eastern Europe by Turks for several decades and the death of Wladyslaw III in the battle left Hungary in the hands of the four-year-old Ladislaus Posthumus of Bohemia and Hungary.

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But thats the battle of Varna it happened 80 years before Suleiman the lawgiver. (by the way how can 30.000 crusaders be overwhelmed by 30.000 Turks?)

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Yeah.the turks need to outnumber the enemy by three or four times to win

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gazi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Apr-2005 at 13:28
What?At the battle of Varna?I dont think so.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ahmed Abbas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Apr-2005 at 16:41

i want ask everyone who is the greatest military leader in the world

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Actually in those days Iran was governed by another Turkic Dynastty, Safavids.

The only part of Turkish history I do not like is, fights against Persians and other Turks.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote baracuda Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 15:34
maths maths 30 000 = 30 000 or am I wrong.. ... must be that tarkan thing.. 1 turk = 5-10 westerners..so it should be that turks were 150 000 - 300 000 makes sense how they overwhelmed them..
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