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Poll Question: Who believes the antisemites from toledo were ostracized to America?
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    Posted: 09-May-2007 at 19:49
The Spanish Inquisition took place just before 1492. The Inquisition in Toledo is the popularized burning of heretics by the Anitisemites.
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The main target of the Inquisition were the conversos: people who recently converted to the Catholic faith, mainly Jews and Muslims. Protestants and free thinkers were also a favorite target of the institution.

It is interesting to notice that the inquisition was impossed by the state, and not by the church, as a policy to control potentially rebelious minorities. It is also interesting to be aware that it acted more by terror that by killing masses of people. Only circa 3000 people was killed by the inquisition, during 8 centuries, but they were executed in the most terrible way possible.

At the end, everyone in Spain ended hating the church because of that crime.
 
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Never heard of them being ostracised… sources please
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I never heard of them being ostracised either. But then I never heard of them being antisemitic in particular. Their aims were all religious, not racist. (Except that in Aragon, homosexuals were sentenced to death whether Roman Catholic or not, and bigamists were prosecuted in both Aragon and Castile).
 
Are we getting somewhat confused here with Jesuits and the later events in Paraguay? That led to the suppression of the Jesuits in most Roman Catholic countries including Spain, but it had nothing to do with the Inquisition, being merely due to the Jesuits' opposition to enslaving the indigenous population.
 
The Spanish Inquisition was mainly run by Dominicans (there were no Jesuits when it started), even if, as pinguin points out, under the crown not the church. And it wasn't finally ended until 1834, but not with ostracisation.
 
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As for racism, a set of attitudes towards the "conversos" eventually developed that certainly can carry the description "racist", in the sense that they were asssumed to be by nature physically inferior, "dirty". Jokes were cracked about things like their presumed hideous body odour, much like US and European ideas about a special African "Negro-stink".

But this wasn't limited to the Inquisition, which dealt mainly with doctrinal purity.

And I can't find and ostracisation either. The Inquisition was formed to combat heresy originally in the Albigensian crusade. It's officers were drawn from the Dominican order, also formed to combat the Albigensian heresy.

It became a bit special in Spain, as it became intertwined with the activities of the crown and the state more so than in other countries. And as gcle just pointed out, this lasted all the way up to 1834.
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Spanish Inquisitions....
 
Yes, during the time of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella which unites Aragon and Castile became one. They also gave a command of "Puritance Campaign of Spain" (ah.. I can just said their campaign like that). And they are also Fanatic (Accept that statement).
 
After defeating the Moslems, they gave conduct to all remaining Jews and Moslems to Migrate to outside Spain before 31 August 1492 or Became Christian. 
 
Some Jews and Moslems decided to became Christian (If they go they will suffer poverty), but this "Los Reyes Catolicos" also gave conduct that all who became Christian should be Inquisited by Inquisitors.
 
Many decided to migrate, but some decided to became Catholics, but there is one funny thing.... That is
 
An Inquisited Person should gave some money to the Inquisitors (So there is an unfair condition to the Inquisited Person
 
But I don't know the result of the Guilty Inquisited Jews or Moslems.
 
 
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Most of the conversos from Jewish or Muslim background assimilated to the Catholic faith and mainstream. However, the long existence of this represive institution had a profound effect in the psycology of the peoples of the Iberian peninsulae and the Americas. First, it is possible that the large scale emigration from Iberia to the Americas was fueled in part by the inquisition, because people was more free in the Americas than in Europe. In second place, although the Iberian world has always been very orthodox in its Catholic faith, it is also true that a deep hate against the Catholic institution and the values of the conservative catholic elites, developed and that was the cause that started several revolution. In the end, the Iberian and Latin American people have had a long fight to get rid from the oppresive Catholic institution. Today we have a secular society at last.
 
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IIRC, strictly speaking, the Inquisition wasn't authorised to touch Jews or muslims, only christians suspected of heresy, including ex-jewish converts. Those who didn't convert, were expelled, but not by the inquisition per se.
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No, I think that's right. The Spanish Inquisition could however (and did) also investigate and prosecute adulterers, bigamists, and homosexuals, even if they weren't guilty of heresy per se. Whether that included non-Christian adulterers etc., I don't know.
 
I still don't understand the bit about the inquisitors being ostracised to America.
 
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It was a racist tool at times. Massive expulsion of moriscos happened under Phillip II.
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Originally posted by Pelayo Pelayo wrote:

It was a racist tool at times. Massive expulsion of moriscos happened under Phillip II.
 
Yes, but that had nothing to do with the Inquisition.
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