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    Posted: 15-May-2009 at 14:59
Are there any? Did they share any architectural ideas?
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The massive palace culture that was excavated by Leonard Cotrell in Crete, dating to c.1500 BC clearly has, you are right, vast similarites between what we currently call the Mycenean palace culture excavated by Heindrich Schilemann and others. The Minoans, architectually, seem to have been rather more influenced by eastern - most notably Hittite - styles, and one of their most important mythical and relgious symbols, the Bull, also seems to be presented in a similar way to the Hittite storm god - Teshub - who rides a chariot pulled by bulls. It is now quite clear that the Mycenean culture in Greece vanished around c.1200-1100 BC in what the literary sources call the "Dorian invasion", which leaves very few material remnants behind and not much pottery for dating conviences, whereas the destruction of the Minoans is somewhat more mysterious. What makes the situation even more confusing is the conflicting literary heritage - Homer's description of the lifestyles of his heroes is clearly set in an idealised bronze age past, and many of the descriptions of the cities in which his heroes live seem to fit loosely into the archeological evidence. However, if Homer was writing - as we now believe that he was - in Ionia in around c.800 BC, on the cusp of the early Archaic/Daedalic (artistic term) age, there are bound to be discrepancies. For example, on both Crete and in the Peloponnese, we see archeologically what must have been a highly organised, centralised government which clearly had some kind of internal administration, whereas the Greece of Homer shows a series of household-run, small city states. Where, in our main literary source for this period, are the clerks and records that must have been present when we consider the archeology? Homer shows us none - it seems that he may have been placing aspects of his own time to fill in the gaps, and even if there was a "Homer", or not, the oral tradition rather undermines Homer as a historical source. There does appear to have been a palace culture on Crete and in Greece, which was run by a high priest/king from roughly a household basis, but it was not on the small scale that Homer envisaged, and not so primative, and there is also ample evidence from Hittite sources for a Trojan war. I would thus conclude by saying, roughly, socio-economically and politically, probably yes, but culturally, religiously and archeologically, there are marked differences, but this period really does move beyond the cusp of reliable historical sources, and we move more and more into the mysterious and theoratical world of ancient near eastern archaeology. Interesting thread and good question - I'll keep my eye on this thread and it's author Smile
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Originally posted by Falkor Falkor wrote:

Are there any? Did they share any architectural ideas?


To put it simple, it depends. Both used columns of similar style but the structure of the cities were different. The southern parts like Pylos has many similarities with the Islanders, but the Greek city setup generally trace it's origins to the neolithic Sesklo cultures of the north.

Basically with the fall of the Minoan civilization, they melted into one with the mainland people and therefore you can't really tell there's a distinct cretan architectural pattern.


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