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    Posted: 06-Apr-2007 at 19:31

In the psychology classes I've taken before, we had a "Freudian" teacher...

From what I learned in those classes, Sigmund Freud had connected quite a lot of things to sexual desire...
 
For Freud, many things which we see unrelated with sexual desire in common sense, actually is related to the sexual desire people had towards the opposite gender.
 
I still find this "Freudian" style on sexual desire very weird and think it is somewhat too much "sexist"...
 
I, of course, is not a professional on the issue, but I would like to see it digged more so I can learn if it is really so, or if I am in kind of an illusion.. 
 
What is your opinion over this?


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There are many types of psychologists, with different perspectives. Today we look at things more from the cognitive  perspective, however a few decades ago, people were inclined to Freud's understanding: the psycho-analytical perspective. He believed that human behaviour (our actions) come from our basic instincts, the thoughts beneath our consciousness, which is our sub-conscious. He believed that dreams were symbolic of the soul's desire, our hidden passions and aggression are expressed through sexual energy.

Today, cognitive psychology disregards some of Freud's perspectives as exaggeratively sexual which do not incorporate external factors that may affect behaviour.
 
B.F. Skinner created a revolution in  Psychology after Freud, in which he theorised that behaviour can be conditioned and is solely a response to external factors. This contradicted Freud and so both perspectives are valid to a certain extent.
 
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Forgive me  for being sketchy as i touched on this like 10 years ago at UNI.

I agree with the premise we are sexual-violent creatures and that (long ago) we are also smart enough to  make some conscious behavioral compromises for more security. What we deem as 'anti social' behavior is natural, yet we all (actually almost all) choose to not kill, rape, have big sex parties etc  for the safety of a cohesive society. All the rules in society are based on curbing our deeper atavistic sides through punishment. Yes this can effect our behavior but Freud was wrong in thinking this was the end and be all of our issues.

There is, as northpakistani mentions other explanations and  further advancements beyond freudian logic. With all, external -internal forces, to a degree valid.

the biggest criticism of Freud is that he was very sexist. IIRC He had female patients complaining about being sexually abused by their dads and he would say they had 'penis envy'!  So he was too extreme or narrow in his theories.



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Yes, indeed, humans naturally repress their violent sexual aggression to conform with society's norms, yet this suppressed aggression can also be released through a process called :  sublimation.

 
For ei. An artist who paints nudes, actually sublimated his sexual obsession into work that is more acceptable in our society.
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What do you guys think about Freud's 'Oedipus Complex' concept?

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Originally posted by northpakistani northpakistani wrote:

What do you guys think about Freud's 'Oedipus Complex' concept?

 
Good question. I think he was much more correct on this issue than correlating many things with sexual desire.
 
I have read many stories in which little girls have a crush on their fathers, and quarrel with their mothers as well as boys that always want to sleep in the middle of their parents, closer to their mothers..
 
Maybe we also had the same afflection when we were 4-5 years old.. But we repressed it and do not remember much about this period of our lfie.
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yes, repression is used as a defense for the ego. Part of the ego's job is to protect the conscious mind from the threatening thoughts burried in the unconscious (part of the id).
 
allthough Freud Thory is based a lot about sexual desire, maslow agrees with him to an extent.
 
He pointed out that not all needs are creted equal. He descreibed a hierachy of neeeds, that predicts which needs we will be motovated to satisfy first. He predicted that we will act to satisfy biological neds like: survival, sex, and safty, before love and self esteem.
 
Freudian theory also states about "penis evny" about women are envious of the male penis. Feminists like Nancy Chodorow stated that "..Becasue men had more benefits and enjoyment in socity.." which is obserd becasue this stage is around the oral stage, about 6 months to 3 years. Children have a clean slate, and have no information about modern socity.


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  Today we tend to view Freud's work mainly through the congitive ''point of view''....this tendency to view things inside the congitive perception and perspective has led us to widely discredit his theories on sexual behavior and desire.
 
We gradually came to the understanding that numerous factors can influence our sexual desire and behaviour  and that his theories do not adaquetely explain many issues in relation to our general sexual desire due to the fact that important factors  have been singled out.
 Mainstream Psychology today regards his psychosexual theories as widely exaggerated....and i must agree on that!
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Quote In the psychology classes I've taken before, we had a "Freudian" teacher...

From what I learned in those classes, Sigmund Freud had connected quite a lot of things to sexual desire...
 
For Freud, many things which we see unrelated with sexual desire in common sense, actually is related to the sexual desire people had towards the opposite gender.
 
I still find this "Freudian" style on sexual desire very weird and think it is somewhat too much "sexist"...
 
I, of course, is not a professional on the issue, but I would like to see it digged more so I can learn if it is really so, or if I am in kind of an illusion.. 
 
What is your opinion over this?

I find Dr. Freud's theories very accurate.  Most people reject his theories because it address issues that are not  politically correct and label it "sexist".  If Dr. Freud's work is viewed as a being from another species his theories make perfect and complete sense. He did all his work with the common detachment from emotion and science which is so needed for unbiased research such as his, and I believe you need to study his work with the same attitude.
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In order to understand the accuracy of Freud's theories you would need to scrutinize it with a working model. First does it purport to measure what it hypothesized to measure? Second, are his theories viable methods in understanding psychological illness? Third, are his theories necessary and sufficient in treating mental illness? 

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I say he's right correct to some extend, at least for me, hehehe, I would watch the news because of that hot newscaster, or buy a certain music album because of that hot singer (though the album sucks!), or go to a particular department at my workplace because of that hot chick at the table.... But of course not everything is sexually motivated, for example, I'm not replying to this thread 'cause you guys/gals are hot, but what do I know, I've never seen you guys/gals before, LOL.
 
On a serious note, have you guys make any subconsious decision (being subconsious so you may not notice) because utimiately, the result would bring a form of sexual gratification, not neccessarily in the form of physical sexual pleasure with a female, not being the top of pack in the male context? Like playing a FPS game & achieivng the best score - (top dog)alpha male complex, winning an argument or debate at work or play - look good in front of your female friends, or even dressing better than other guys in a public place - a phoenix among chickens to the women?
 
 


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