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    Posted: 21-Mar-2007 at 03:13
     Hi guys, I'm just wandering if there are Scottish knight in the crusades.   And if so, what order do they belong?...   I know that, English, Holy Roman (Germany), Spanish (Aragon and Castile), French (Provence and Auvergne), and Italians knights belong to the Hospitallers, while majority of the Normans belong to the Templars...        and are they still wearing their tartans in the crusades?  I would really like to see pictures if possibile.   Thanks.   Smile  

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There were Scottish Knights Templar who fought in the Crusades.
   Apparently the Stewart and Bruce heirs were reputed to be Knights Templars from birth.
     
     


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I assume so. I even heard that some Irish joined the crusade. It sounds odd to side with the English, but it's not too far from the realtiy. I mean, they were Catholics like Scotland and England at that time...
     
   
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From varying contemporary and other sources the answer is yes, there were Scottish Templars but to identification of  numerous individals i have not heard perse a name reference the earliest of the crusades. Although in point of fact, de payne was granted lands there by marriage in 1128, and no doubt induced followers of the St. Clair's to the colours.
 
Likewize the Sinclairs in association with the so called 'Orkney crusade', also Templars, were in the crusade that unfortunately led to the sack of Constaintinople in 1203.
 
And as alluded to earlier it is surmised that the order members fought at Bannockburn in 1314.
 


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Originally posted by pekau pekau wrote:

I assume so. I even heard that some Irish joined the crusade. It sounds odd to side with the English, but it's not too far from the realtiy. I mean, they were Catholics like Scotland and England at that time...
 
              Not so odd considering the time period. After the Norman Invasion of 1066 lands in England and Wales were granted to Breton Knights who had supported the Normans. David I of Scotland invited and granted lands to many French and anglo French Knights (mainly Bretons) in Scotland. If you have ever watched Braveheart movie recall the part when it was said that the Scottish nobles were as rich in English lands and titles as they were in Scottish ones. (Thus Wallace having himself such a hard time trying to unite the Scottish nobility).Confused
            Many of those invited to Scotland had lands and family ties in England/Wales and had lands and family ties in France. The Stewarts (ie FitzAlans), Bruce (De Brus),Balliol (De Balleuil) and Comyn (De Comines) were amongst many such families invited to Scotland and whose families were part of; (or had financialy supported) the Norman Invasion force.
        Therefore not so odd that Knights Templar had relatives and support in France, England and Scotland when the root stock of the noblility were in some way related.


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We must also remember that many who joined the crusades didn't necessarily belong to any religous knightly order.
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Originally posted by Eondt Eondt wrote:

We must also remember that many who joined the crusades didn't necessarily belong to any religous knightly order.
 
 
   So, under what banner are they (anyone not belonging to any religous knightly order)?  If don't mind me asking,... under the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem?
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Well...the most prominent nobles would have gone under their own banners and other would have gone under the banner of their respective lieges. Rember the episode in the 3rd crusade where the banner of Duke Leopold were torn down in favour of Richard III's? That would be a good example.
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I think some Scots joined the Crusades. I remember reading that Robert the Bruce even went on a crusade in Moorish Spain.

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