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    Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 18:22
Before I start blubbing... Watch Hotel Rwanda. You will not be disappointed. Nice movie.Clap
 
I just don't fully understand this. Separation of Hutu and Tutsi got started because the European settlers favored Tutsi due to their physical appearance that resembled European's more than Hutu. So we are just talking about physical appearance? Nothing racial or genetical? What about the social class difference?
 
And why did UN just left Rwanda alone to deal with the genocide? Rwanda was just not important enough like in Korea and Afganistan?
     
   
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Rwanda crisis was racially motivated. The physical differences are genetic.Too Black peoples that looked different hate each others because of that. That show clearly that no one is free of racism in this planet.

The genocide that followed was one of the most shocking, because was not planified but done by common people against other common people. And also, because it was quick.
 
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I watched Hotel Rwanda for the first time on Wednesday. Schocking stuff. I have to say that if ever there was a moral reason for Western powers to become involved, Rwanda was it. Too bad it didn't have valuable oil reserves to serve as motivationDisapprove
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There were social class differences, not least that age-old distinction between pastoral (Tutsi) and agrarian (Hutu) people. The two peoples coexisted, but there always was an underlying tension, which the colonial occupation exacerbated.
 
As for the UN, that is one of its great failures. But then again, the UN can only do so much if its constituent members don't care. Simply put, there was nothing in Rwanda that interested anyone powerful. So nothing got done. Just goes to show that moral reasons are not enough for military intervention. Rwanda was a humanitarian crisis orders of magnitude greater than whatever Saddam was doing in Iraq, but no one budged a finger...
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You shouldn't learn history from movies though, I thought that movie was pretty "Schindler's List"..
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Originally posted by Dan Carkner Dan Carkner wrote:

You shouldn't learn history from movies though, I thought that movie was pretty "Schindler's List"..
 
Of course. But it was a good drama movie.Smile
     
   
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And whatever the movie's inaccuracies it might posess, it didn't take anything away from the fact that almost 1 million people died and that the West tried hard to ignore it.
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I read a somewhat weird theory that Rwanda was at that time a battlegroun between francophones and anglosaxons trying to maintain/strenghten their sphere of influence.  France in general would have supported the Hutu militia, while Kagama and his Tutsi power base were much more anglosaxon in terms of education etc.. (Kagame spent a lot of his time in neighbouring country Uganda, a former British colony, and it is from Uganda that he launched his invasion into Rwanda)
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Originally posted by pekau pekau wrote:

Before I start blubbing... Watch Hotel Rwanda. You will not be disappointed. Nice movie.Clap
 
I just don't fully understand this. Separation of Hutu and Tutsi got started because the European settlers favored Tutsi due to their physical appearance that resembled European's more than Hutu. So we are just talking about physical appearance? Nothing racial or genetical? What about the social class difference?
 


What I read from other sources; the separation of Hutus and Tutsis began way before the Belgian colonization.

They are fundamentally the same people, with the same origins and speaking the same language and following the same customs.
The Tutsis descend from moutain shepards and were historically the ruling caste
The Hutus descend from farmers in the valleys and were historically the peasant caste.

While the Belgians ruled, they controlled the Hutus via the Tutsis, creating a further division within the already separate castes; that planted the seeds of hate.

Like in most cases, the definition of an "ethnic group" has more to do with culture and social stratification than with real genetic diferences.



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Nevertheless, I think that there are some genetic/biological differences between the 3 main tribal groups of Rwanda, although these differences have grown progressively less as they have lived in proximity and intermarried for hundreds of years.
 
The original inhabitants of Rwanda were the Twa, a Pygmy people, who lived as hunters and gatherers, and account for only a small percentage of the current population. In ancient times, a Bantu tribal group, the Hutu, settled in Rwanda. They had an agrarian ( farming ) lifestyle. Around the 1400s, a Nilotic tribal group, the Tutsi, migrated into Rwanda. The Tutsi were pastoral cattle-herders. They established  a kingdom, which became the dominant governing institution, and the Tutsi thus became the primary political force. Although they maintained somewhat different lifestyles ( the Twa being hunters, the Hutu farmers, and the Tutsi herders, there was nevertheless quite a bit of overlap), hundreds of years of living in proximity brought about a great deal of cultural similarity. All tribal groups share the same language ( Kinyarwanda ), and all 3 tribes collectively are known as the Banyarwanda.
 
Belgium became the colonial power when the Germans were expelled following World War I. Belgium governed the colony through the pre-existing Tutsi political structure, therefore the Tutsis were a dominant political force under Belgian rule. As the country neared independence however, the Belgian administrators began trying to impose a more democratic political structure. This favoured the Hutu, as they were the majority of the population (about 80%).  Thus began a rivalry between the Hutus, receptive to new democratic ideas, and the Tutsis, loyal to the old native monarchy. Eventually the Tutsi monarchy was overthrown, and a democratic government installed, though it was dominated by Hutus, and Rwanda became an independent nation. Since then, however, there has been periodic rivalry and resentment between the Hutus and the Tutsis, which culminated in the genocide portrayed in "Hotel Rwanda".


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