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    Posted: 12-Mar-2009 at 00:24
Some people get shocked when they saw the first time. In the military parades at the National Day, the Chilean army dress like the old Prusian army, and they even make the goose step LOL
Well, now it sound funny. During the Pinochet regime it was impossible to miss the similarity with the Nazi regime. However today, almost twenty years after the recovery of democracy and after so many military people involved in crimes had been sent to jail, it is time to comment in calm from where those foreign traditions came.
At the beginning of the century, the Chilean state brought Prusian military personel to train the Chilean army and make it a more efficient fighting corp. Together with the military there came customs, hard hats, steps and even music.
After the fall of the Third Reich, Chile is one of the few places where those Prusian traditions are still alive. For Chileans, they just mean typical Chilean traditions... imported from somewhere else.
 
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Timbals
 
 
Honor guard for the President
 
 
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Goose Step
 
 
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bands
 
 
 


Edited by pinguin - 12-Mar-2009 at 00:25
"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

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Originally posted by pinguin

 
 
At the beginning of the century, the Chilean state brought Prussian military personel to train the Chilean army and make it a more efficient fighting corp. Together with the military there came customs, hard hats, steps and even music.
 
After the fall of the Third Reich, Chile is one of the few places where those Prusian traditions are still alive.
 
 
Hats
 
 
 
 
 
Anyone would've mistaken them for Nazi troops if can't recognize the coat-of-arms symbol is clearly non-German in origin.
 
Yeah,Germany had good mutual relations with S America.I read Argentina's strongman Peron was a Deutschphile.
 
Do you think the Germans had alternative objective by courting S America in first half of 20th century,like flexing its military influence over there ?
 
 
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Well, they had plans to control the region throught the german colonies already established here. In fact, we had quite a bit problems with Nazism, German criminals of war that took refuge on here, and also with a very siniester "religious" group that was a cover up for a nazi refugee that existed in Parral Chile, called "Colonia Dignidad", also known as "Villa Baviera". That place was dismanteled by the Chilean state some years ago, and the German settlers there were treated as slaves by theirs own bosses. They were keep idioticed by drugs all theirs lives.
 
You can read the details here. They are disturbing, and you won't believe them, but they are true.
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2009 at 18:53
the US Army and many other countries military looked exactly like that for some time...
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Aye, the Prussian style was the highest military fashion in the last half of the 19th century. It's quite common through history, that nations model their uniforms after those of whichever nation won the last major war. Thusly, after the Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian wars the Prussian-style uniforms popped up everywhere.  Pickelhäube can befound on ceremonial uniforms dating from the early 19th century all over the place. 
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Indeed. In South America, at least, countries choose theirs models among different European powers. Peruvians chose the French, for instance. And even in Chile, the army was estructured mostly following the British model.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

It's quite common through history, that nations model their uniforms after those of whichever nation won the last major war.

As a side note, French military dress was the height of fashion in the early days of the United States civil war. Both sides had regiments of carbon-copied Zoaves and other French uniforms were duplicated as well to varying degrees.  I guess the Union and Confederates were remembering Napoleon's exploitsSmile.
 
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In South America, at least, countries choose theirs models among different European powers.
Asians did the same thing. Japan's Army initially duplicated French orgainization and tactics until France lost to Prussia. Then the French advisors were sent home and Prussian / German ones invited.  Nationalist China also had a fondness of German uniforms. Some of it was due to admiration and some due to the simple fact that the Germans supplied them.


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Originally posted by Cryptic

As a side note, French military dress was the height of fashion in the early days of the United States civil war. Both sides had regiments of carbon-copied Zoaves and other French uniforms were duplicated as well to varying degrees.  I guess the Union and Confederates were remembering Napoleon's exploitsSmile.


Napoleon III to be precise. it was the Crimean War and the popular image of French Zouaves storming Sevastopol that did the thing for Americans and many Latin American countries.
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^Thanks for the added information. I just assumed it was the earlier Napoleon Confused.   



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