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Topic: Gringos!
Posted By: pinguin
Subject: Gringos!
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2009 at 19:11
This thread is just for fun. Any questions about the real meaning of the word, you are welcome to ask.
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Gringo_Gazette.jpg">File:Gringo Gazette.jpg
 
Gringo (feminine, gringa) is a Spanish and Portuguese word used in Latin America to generally denote people from the United States, but in some cases it is also used to denote foreign non-native speakers of Spanish (physical appearance i.e. race often plays a role), usually from northern Europe or Canada--especially English-speakers.[1] Anglophones may consider the word pejorative, and dictionaries such as the American Heritage Dictionary classify gringo as "offensive slang," "usually disparaging," and "often disparaging."[2] However, Hispanophones disagree on whether or not gringo is derogatory; it is not considered as such by the authoritative Diccionario de la lengua española de la Real Academia Española.
 


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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2009 at 19:16
Is that your photo, Pinguin?Shocked

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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2009 at 19:30
Nope. It is from wikipedia. The newspaper is real, and it is published in Mexico and the U.S. Take a look:
 
http://www.gringogazette.com/ - http://www.gringogazette.com/


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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2009 at 10:31
I have heard that Gringo appeared as a word in central america during the Spannish - American war, when people were unpleased by the US occupation and whenever they saw an american soldier they said "Green go" (because of the green uniforms).


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Posted By: Mixcoatl
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2009 at 11:18
American uniforms were blue back then

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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2009 at 17:58
Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

I have heard that Gringo appeared as a word in central america during the Spannish - American war, when people were unpleased by the US occupation and whenever they saw an american soldier they said "Green go" (because of the green uniforms).
 
I heard the Dagos adopted the term because the song the US army bands played on the march was "Green Grow the Rushes".
 
 


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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 02:34
I do not know how valid it is but I once heard that a Colonel Green was ahead of the Mexican invasion so the Mexicans started to yell Green go home which turned to gringo.
We were called that a few times while in the Sinaloa, Mexico.

Maybe someone can look that up because I am ...



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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 03:39
How many gringos live in Mexico? Anyone knows? I read someplace there were circa one million Americans that moved there to live.

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"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 17:37
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

How many gringos live in Mexico? Anyone knows? I read someplace there were circa one million Americans that moved there to live.



I think many of them are retirees because it is so cheap to buy a home in Mexico compared to the USA or Canada.

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Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 03:31
I lived and worked in Mexico, at the U.S. embassy near the Angel de la Independencia, from 1995 to 1997. The answer at that time was: "Over 1 million North Americans". That number included Canadians. It was a difficult number to capture because many North Americans who live in Mexico split their time between Mexico, and their place of origin. At the time, that was 1 million out of Mexico's estimated 89 million. I'm sure the Regional Security Officer has more updated figures.  

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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 01-May-2009 at 03:39
Interesting. I didn´t see your post before. Do you have figures about how many Americans live in Latin America as a whole? In my country there are quite a few.

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"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 01-May-2009 at 05:17
Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

I have heard that Gringo appeared as a word in central america during the Spannish - American war, when people were unpleased by the US occupation and whenever they saw an american soldier they said "Green go" (because of the green uniforms).


I have heard this story in the context of the Mexican American war. The problem with the Mexican American war is that the uniforms were not green, they were blue.

Besides, the word is also used in Argentina for English people. :)

It is comes from the word, griego, or Greek. The whole point is that you can't understand them; they are speaking Greek.

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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 01-May-2009 at 12:37
Gringo has the same idea of the original word "spic", when it wasn't an insult. Spanish speakers have a problem to pronounce "Speak", that for english speakers sounds somthing like "speek", and that was the origin of that slur. It only meant people who said "I don't spic English". 
 
In the same sense, Gringo in Spanish (pronounced Green-Gow) sounds like a Texan cowboy speaking english to Spanish ears: strange. Besides, the archetype of a strange sounding language in Spanish is greek, and there are several sayings that describe that language as weirdly pronounced. So the derivation of "green-gow" from "greek" seems likely.
 
 


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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 01-May-2009 at 17:56
My point wasn't made correctly.

The word wasn't created in Mexico. It was created in Spain. No green uniforms; no green grow the trees; no Texan sluring words :P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo%20 - gringo wikipedia

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Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 01-May-2009 at 22:14
Nice to see that the wikipedia article references the Academia Real as the final authority for the Spanish language. However the article state that the term is not insulting. Yet teh entry for "gringo" in the very same dictionary classifies it as "familiar, despectivo". i.e., deprecating, insulting. "Green grow the violets" was the most popular marching song in the Mexican-American War, but it appears to be mere coincidence. I would have loved to check my dictionary of "mejicanismos", but to my great shock, I have just discovered that I donated it to a library. CrySo I have no idea if they define it differently, or at all.

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Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 01-May-2009 at 22:17
Flipper, the Spanish-American war was fought in Cuba, with secondary campaigns in Puerto Rico and the Philippines. Central America was already independent.

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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 02-May-2009 at 03:51
This comes from the official dictionary of the Spanish language. The RAE dictionary of the Royal Spanish Academy of the Spanish language. 
 
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/html/cabecera.htm - http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/html/cabecera.htm
 
Notice the meaning number 7. It says, language that's impossible to understand.
 

gringo, ga.

(Etim. disc.).

1. adj. coloq. Extranjero, especialmente de habla inglesa, y en general hablante de una lengua que no sea la española. U. t. c. s.

 
(Foreigner, particularly english speaker and in general a speaker of a non-spanish language)
 
2. adj. coloq. Dicho de una lengua: http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltObtenerHtml?origen=RAE&LEMA=extranjero&SUPIND=0&CAREXT=10000&NEDIC=No#0_1 - - extranjera. U. t. c. s. m.
 
(Foreign language)

3. adj. Am. Mer., Cuba, El Salv., Hond. y Nic. http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltObtenerHtml?origen=RAE&LEMA=estadounidense&SUPIND=0&CAREXT=10000&NEDIC=No#0_2 - - estadounidense. Apl. a pers., u. t. c. s.

 
 
4. adj. Ur. http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltObtenerHtml?origen=RAE&LEMA=inglés&SUPIND=0&CAREXT=10000&NEDIC=No#0_1 - - inglés (natural de Inglaterra). U. t. c. s.
 
(British)

5. adj. Ur. http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltObtenerHtml?origen=RAE&LEMA=ruso&SUPIND=0&CAREXT=10000&NEDIC=No#0_1 - - ruso (natural de Rusia). U. t. c. s.

 
 
 
6. m. y f. Bol., Hond., Nic. y Perú. Persona rubia y de tez blanca.
 
(blond pale person)

7. m. coloq. Lenguaje ininteligible.

(Ackward language; perhaps "Greek")



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"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

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Posted By: Carcharodon
Date Posted: 23-May-2009 at 17:46
Here is a Native American girl that are not espcially fond of gringos or whites. This girl makes a stand against a demonstration protests against illegal immigrants  coming to the US. The people participating in the demonstration doesn´t seem to consider that they themselves are descendants from illegal immigrants (at least seen from the perspective of the Amerindians). This girl tries to make it clear to them.
Interesting is also to notice that an Asian woman, probably a first generation immigrant   according to her accent and judging from the Natives girls words to her, is participating in the demonstration against immigrants.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJ13a_MXJA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJ13a_MXJA
 
 


Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 23-May-2009 at 22:41
Yeah. She is not the only one that think white, black and asian people should go back to theirs continents. If you ask me, I would start with extreme environmentalists LOL
 
Even more, others think Spain and the Catholic church should return the mountain of silver that was Potosi, and that help to finance Europe and to build the Vatican.


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"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

Inca Pachacutec (1438-1471)


Posted By: Carcharodon
Date Posted: 24-May-2009 at 21:31
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Yeah. She is not the only one that think white, black and asian people should go back to theirs continents. If you ask me, I would start with extreme environmentalists LOL
 
Or extreme capitalists who destroy everything for profit.
 


Posted By: SerHumano
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2009 at 21:13

Most white americans have native blood, You guys aren't germans LOL



Posted By: drgonzaga
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2009 at 22:05
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Yeah. She is not the only one that think white, black and asian people should go back to theirs continents. If you ask me, I would start with extreme environmentalists LOL
 
Or extreme capitalists who destroy everything for profit.
 
 
From my point of view, all partisans with over-active thyroids and an irrational attitude toward money deserve lobotomies. After all they manifest clear disuse of the cerebrum. But now, to Pinguin's efforts at levity. Gringo, as far as etymological study is concerned, was in usage by the close of the 18th century long before there were soldiers of any dress color humming ditties taken from Bobby Burns. By the 11th century, Latin scholars used a maxim as a synonym for the unintelligible: Graecum est; non potest legi. This usage of the a Medieval Latin proverb had entered into both the Spanish and English language long before any yanqui thought of crossing the Rio Grande. In the 1787 El Diccionario Castellano compiled by Esteban de Terreros one discovers the word gringo amplified by the compiler thusly: "gringos llaman en Málaga a los estranjeros, que tienen cierta especie de acento, que los priva de una locución fácil y natural castellana; y en Madrid dan el mismo, y por la misma causa con particularidad a los Irlandeses." It should be of note that in the last quarter of the 18th century many of the soldiers in Spanish colonial service were of Irish extraction [officers as well, such as Alejandro O'Reilly and, just for you Pinguin, a certain O'Higgins]. Hence, resentful criollos in a waning Spanish American empire would have picked up this usage.
 
This theme is discussed quite competently by Michael Quinion in his little tome Ballyhoo, Buckaroo and Spuds (Washington: Smithsonian, 2004).
 
Strangely enough, in the 20th century, the word is seldom used in terms of political agitation and protest, where yanqui is far more favored. Even in Mexico, it has long been supplanted by bolillo, a true pejorative when used on a person rather than a pastry or bread.
 
Anyway, it's all Greek to me.


Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2009 at 16:42
Just an addendum to drgonzaga's "It should be of note that in the last quarter of the 18th century many of the soldiers in Spanish colonial service were of Irish extraction [officers as well, such as Alejandro O'Reilly and, just for you Pinguin, a certain O'Higgins]."

The "Flight of the Lords" from Ireland after a failed rebellion produced three Irish Regiments in the French Army and two in the Spanish. In the early 1700s, the Dillon Regiment was transferred from the French to the Spanish Army as a gift between the sovereigns, who were Bourbon cousins. Small in numbers when compared to the overall size of both Armies, the Irish nevertheless gained a reputation as military engineers. The majority of what is today El Morro castle in Puerto Rico was completed under Colonel (Engineers) Tomas O'Daly. O'Daly's son, Demetrio O'Daly de la Puente, later rose to Field Marshall in the Spanish Army. Irish regiments occasionally fought each other in the eighty years war in the Netherlands, but so did Basque, Navarrese, Catalan, and Dutch Regiments (then termed "tercios" on the Spanish side).

 


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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2009 at 18:31
Indeed, Ambrosio O'Higgins was Irish, but he wasn't just a regular soldier more, but nothing less than the gobernor of the Kingdom of Chile. I don't know if another child of Ireland reach such high post elsewhere in the Americas. His son, Bernardo, was the main heroe of the Independence of my country.
 
This is Ambrosio O'Higgins
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Mixcoatl
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2009 at 20:07
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I don't know if another child of Ireland reach such high post elsewhere in the Americas. 

Juan de O'Donojú, de last viceroy of New Spain. He ruled only for a few months, when he arrived most of the country was already under control by Iturbide and Guerrero's Army of the Three Guarantees. He met with Iturbide and signed the treaty of Córdoba, formally making Mexico independent, and became a member of Mexico's provisional government. He died a few weeks later, rumor has it that he was poisoned by Iturbide.



Furthermore sometime it is said that Álvaro Obregón, the military victor of the Mexican Revolution and president of Mexico from 1920-1924 was of Irish descent (O'Brien), but I don't know if that's true.


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Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 16:44
Well, there was Eliza Lynch, first "lady" of Paraguay. Proof that some of the Irish should have stayed home.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 17:46
Originally posted by SerHumano SerHumano wrote:

Most white americans have native blood, You guys aren't germans LOL



I would not say most but many do because sometimes there was a lack of women on the frontier so they went after whatever was available. I do not know why one of my ancestors was Iroquois but according to the records my relatives researched it was a woman or maybe a girl- they got married young in the 1700's.

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Posted By: SerHumano
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 23:32
Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:

Originally posted by SerHumano SerHumano wrote:

Most white americans have native blood, You guys aren't germans LOL



I would not say most but many do because sometimes there was a lack of women on the frontier so they went after whatever was available. I do not know why one of my ancestors was Iroquois but according to the records my relatives researched it was a woman or maybe a girl- they got married young in the 1700's.
 
when i say most i mean most, ask to pinguin , he probably can go more fond on this giving some source.


Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2009 at 02:58
Penguin is relying upon a DNA test that merely proves that somewhere in the past 500 years, one had an Amerindian female as an ancestor. Do the math! It does not equate to making one "Native American". (Actually, being born there does that. The "Yanks" equate "native" to "aboriginal", but their law says otherwise.) Considering that the greatest number of immigrants arrived after 1865, I would bet that it is not currently the "majority", but the impact of "Hispanic" immigration is going to greatly increase the numbers with a Amerindian gene, and likely make it a "majority". I believe that Pinguino would agree with me on at least that last part.

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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2009 at 05:27
Well, I will speak for Pinguin... LOL
My interest in the Native American DNA in White Americas comes from a question:
 
Where there a genocide of Amerindians in North America, or not?
 
I have analyzed the URBAN MYTH of the 90% decline of the native american population by disease, and it doesn't make sense to me at all. Particularly when you compare chronicles and experiences in different historical moments and regions, all over the americas.
So, there must be another explanation for the insignificant demographic presence of Native Americans in the U.S. and elsewhere. Otherwise, the only other explanation is genocide.
 
Well, as it turn out, ALL OVER the Americas the intermarriage with Amerindians is very high. You find large amounts in places you don't imagine, such as Brazil (30% of the mtDNA of the country), Dominican Republic, Argentina, etc. Even in Canada, the Amerindian population is not small and the admixture is not nill either.
 
So, what happened in the U.S.?
 
Well, as it happened, 6% of Whites Americans and 3% of Blacks there have Amerindian markers. Now, if you don't believe this is serious, I invite you to a thread in another forum, where there are 100 pages of testimonies of Americans and others, that describe theirs Amerindian ancestors. The thread is called "Amerindian admixture in Whites Americans" and become very popular. I started myself with the name "Kawashwar" (Land of fire natives).
 
http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=2627&page=80 - http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=2627&page=80
 
 
 
 
 
 


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"He who attempts to count the stars, not even knowing how to count the knots of the 'quipus'(counting string), ought to be held in derision."

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Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2009 at 19:10
Pinguino:  In re: "So, what happened in the U.S.?"

In two words, massive immigration. And, it continues today.


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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2009 at 21:58
Originally posted by lirelou lirelou wrote:

Pinguino:  In re: "So, what happened in the U.S.?"
In two words, massive immigration. And, it continues today.
 
The same happened in the rest of the Americas.


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