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Khazars - Azerbaijan?

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Topic: Khazars - Azerbaijan?
Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Subject: Khazars - Azerbaijan?
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:34
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Can we simple say that Khazars are the core of the North Azerbaijani nation?



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Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:45
Khazars were and are turks too but their religion is judaism.
They became jewish while other turks became muslim.
Also Karaim turks are khazars.


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Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:48
But how u say core of todays Azerbaijan people are Oghuz turks ofcourse.

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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:49
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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:53
I m talking about Azerbaijan Republic only.
 
Becuase Azerbaijan were part of Khazar khaganate and Khazars lived here.
 
Thats why, we have more right then anyone other to claim them. Oghuzs came much later, so the first Turkic people in Azerbaijan were not Oghuzs.
 
There was Huns, Kipchaks and Khazars before.
 
Its said that the Khazars that converted to Orthodoxy became Ukrainian, Russian and some Georgia and those that converted to Islam became part of Azerbaijani nation.


Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:04
of todays Azerbaijan people

Emil i said "todays" Azerbaijan i didn't say who was first of the turkic peoples who came to Azerbaijan first.
And please do not divide turkic peoples.
If you azerbaijanian like me you better know who is the majority of todays Azerbaijanians are. Oghuzes ofcourse.


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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:10
U are Azerbaijanian?

Its hard to judge from your posts.
 
About Oghuzs, its arguable. In South there are more Oghuz influence, in North it becomes lesser.


Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:14
Yes from surname "Diniyev" i understood that you are from Dagestan.
I am from Baku. You can be non-turkic as you know most of the people of near Dagestan border are not turkic but caucasian.
In north Azerbaijan in all turkic villages of our country you can see culture of Oghuzes.
Not only culture all what belongs to Oghuzes.


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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:15
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

Yes from surname "Diniyev" i understand that you are from Dagestan.
I am from Baku. You can be non-turkic as you know most of the people of near Dagestan border are not turkic but caucasian. In north Azerbaijan in all turkic villages of our country you can see culture of Oghuzes. Not only culture all what belongs to Oghuzes.
 
I m not from Dagestan, but near the border with Dagestan. But i m the ethnic "Azeri", not Lezgin, Avar, Tsaxur or any other.
 
U can be sure about that.
 


Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:17
Man, forum rules do not allow people to talk in another language besides english.

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Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:19
Quote I m not from Dagestan, but near the border with Dagestan. But i m the ethnic "Azeri", not Lezgin, Avar, Tsaxur or any other.

OK bloodbrother but Avars are also turkic like how u say Azeris.


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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:24

Sorry but are u sure that u from Azerbaijan? Cause someone from Azerbaijan would know very well that Caucasian Avars of Dagestan and Azerbaijan are not related at all to the Eurasian Avars that don't exist at all.

U can be from Azerbaijan, but maybe only your origin are from there, i don't know.
 
Caucasian Avars have nothing to do with Eurasian Avars, whom don't even exist any longer.  They are native North East Caucasians.
 
 


Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:49
OK u are right i understand what you are saying.
Caucasian avars and Asian avars are different.
But my origin is completely oghuz turks who lived more than 1000 years in Azerbaijan like other azerbaijanians. But i guess you have any problems?



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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 23:03
No, i think u don't get it. There were other Turkic groups before Oghuzs in Azerbaijan, and Khazars what the biggest of them. Its the right of Azerbaijan to claim Khazars then any other nation.
 
 


Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 23:14
Look my brother before the khazars were Gokturk Empire.
It was first state in which name "turk" word included.
Gokturks empire layed from East Asia to Caucasus and the people of gokturks have their own writing script it called "ORHON SCRIPT".
This writing script was also found in Azerbaijan on stones and it dated 2400 years ago.
It means that Gokturks were living in Azerbaijan and first orhon script were made in our country.
It was first turkic state which had in its territories also Azerbaijan.


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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 12:47
What has GokTurks to do with this?


Posted By: HungryWolf
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 13:33
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Becuase Azerbaijan were part of Khazar khaganate and Khazars lived here.and Khazars what the biggest of them

Its the right of Azerbaijan to claim Khazars then any other nation.
They were ancestors of khazars and you said that khazars were biggest of "them" who lived in Azerbaijan.
You are wrong.


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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 14:06
Emil, Khazars were a branch of GokTurks, HungryWolf, Khazars presence is the oldest of Turks in Azerbaycan.

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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 17:52
are you sure Khazars were south of the Caucasus?


Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 18:33
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

are you sure Khazars were south of the Caucasus?
 
Northern regions of Azerbaijan are North of Caucasus but yes, Khazars were even in Southern Caucasus.
 
At their height, the Khazar khaganate and its tributaries controlled much of what is today southern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia - Russia , western http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan , eastern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine - Ukraine , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan - Azerbaijan , large portions of the Northern Caucasus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassia - Circassia , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan - Dagestan , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya - Chechnya ), parts of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29 - Georgia and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea - Crimea .
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
 
 


Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 18:35
At their height they controlled parts of the modern day area of Azerbaycan, however, it was mostly a frontier region were battles were fought between Khazars and other powers. However, the Khazar presence wasn't as heavy or influential as the Oghuz Turks were in the Azerbaycan region.

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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 18:38
Originally posted by Bulldog Bulldog wrote:

At their height they controlled parts of the modern day area of Azerbaycan, however, it was mostly a frontier region were battles were fought between Khazars and other powers. However, the Khazar presence wasn't as heavy or influential as the Oghuz Turks were in the Azerbaycan region.
 
This is true but the point here is that they are the most influential Turkic presence in Azerbaijan before Oguz's.
 
Before Khazars there was even Huns, but i doubt any serious settlements.
 
The thing is that the Turkic history of Azerbaijan Republic begins right after destruction of Caucasian Albania kingdom, a native Caucasian kingdom (Christian too) wich resised in modern day Azerbaijan. And it was Khazars whom destroyed Alban kingdom, in 7th century.


Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 21:34
So basically, if not for Khazars, Azerbaijan Republic probaly would still be called Caucasian Albania with a Christian religion and a ethniticy related to Northern Caucasus.

So yes, Khazars have probaly played the biggest role in Turkic formation of Azerbaijan Republic.


Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 22:09
Depends how you look at it, also I heard the Mountain Jews may be related to Khazars, haven't really studied it though so not sure at all.

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Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2009 at 12:12
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

are you sure Khazars were south of the Caucasus?


What do you really mean?

Cause part of Azerbaijan stretches to North of Big Caucasus Mountain range.




Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 19:00
the core of the Khazar empire was North of the Caucasus like Itil and Sarkel. and after the Arab Conquests the Caucasus was the frontier bewteen the Khazars and the Caliphate, so i think it's unlikely that Khazars controlled territory south of the Caucasus. besides there were also independent Caucasian states at that time.

my comment has nothing to do with Azerbaijan, i'm fully aware Azerbaijan has territory north of the Caucasus.



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