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Topic: Ironic nationality battles?
Posted By: Huscarl
Subject: Ironic nationality battles?
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 13:03
Are there many of those curious battles where the opposing armies were made up of different nationalities, and maybe hadn't fought in a country not of their own 'native' warriors?

Stoke 1487
- A Welsh king of England (only 80yrs after a failed Welsh/French invasion of England!) who also used French troops, fought against-
- An English pretender ('crowned' in Ireland!) invaded England with German, Swiss & Irish troops!

Boyne 1690
- A dour little asthmatic Dutch King of England led Irish, Dutch, Danish, English and French Huguenots against his father-inlaw;-
- An ousted English King of England leading Irish & French troops...in Ireland! James fled and was nicknamed "James the shit" by the bitter and deserted Irish!

Culloden 1746
- An obese Anglo-German prince led a Goverment army (45% Scottish) against his cousin-
- A gay Italian/Polish/Scottish prince of Spanish descent, leading Highland Scots. He deserted them and fled abroad into French society, dying an embittered drunk in exile.

Waterloo 1815
- An Anglo-Irish 'British' general led Anglo-Portugese-Scots-Dutchmen (and Prussians) against;-
- A Corsican Emperor of Frenchmen...in Belgium!

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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 19:07
Originally posted by Huscarl Huscarl wrote:


Waterloo 1815
- An Anglo-Irish 'British' general led Anglo-Portugese-Scots-Dutchmen (and Prussians) against;-


there were no Portuguese but Germans.

Quote - A Corsican Emperor of Frenchmen...in Belgium!


what's ironic about that?


Posted By: Sparten
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 20:05
Liepzig 1813 called the Battle of Nations, better name Battle of Germans.

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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 21:19
Try the battles of the crusades barely a local amongst them. Syrians fighting Europeans in Lebanon, throw in the Mongols and that's a hell of a mix you got.
 
WWII British, Indians and Anzacs fighting Japs in Burma.


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Posted By: Husaria
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 22:13
The 4th Crusade Siege.

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Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 18:50
- A Turkish Sultan (Gıyasettin Keyhusrev) used French soldiers against Turkish Alevis (1239 Malya)


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Posted By: Huscarl
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 06:36
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

WWII British, Indians and Anzacs fighting Japs in Burma.


Yes, good example!



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Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2009 at 07:25

Battle of Kosovo 1389, half the Ottoman army were actually serb lord and soldiers and many in the ranks of the Serbs were not Serbs at all yet by a strange twist this became Serbia's symbol for national struggle.

Al-Jassas


Posted By: Huscarl
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2009 at 21:55
How about Saladin, leading a coalition of Egyptians, Syrians and Arabs in the Holy Land against a French King of England leading an army of Western Europeans?

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Posted By: nova roma
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2009 at 18:30
Originally posted by Husaria Husaria wrote:

The 4th Crusade Siege.


My personal favorite Smile

Gotta be one of the most infamous 'spur of the moment' decisions ever made.


Posted By: Windemere
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 20:27
Bonnie Prince Charlie had a very cosmopolitan ancestry. His mother Maria Sobieska was of Polish-German ethnicity. His paternal grandmother (Mary of Modena) was Italian. His paternal great-grandmother (Henrietta Maria) was French/Italian. His paternal great-great grandmother (Anne of Denmark) was Danish/German. His paternal agnatic (male-line) ancestry, of course, was the Scottish/English Stuarts.
 
Bonnie Prince Charlie's younger brother, Henry ( the Cardinal-Duke of York ) is thought perhaps to have had a  gay orientation, due to his close attachments to his male servants and proteges, but there's no evidence  how far he actually went in that direction. I don't know of any evidence that Bonnie Prince Charlie (Charles Edward Stuart) himself was gay.
 
After the Battle of Culloden in 1746, Charles' army, composed mostly of highland Scottish clansmen, dispersed. Charles himself escaped and spent the next 5 months travelling about, in disguise, through the Scottish Highlands and Western Isles. The victorious British army was patrolling the area and searching for him. A reward of 30,000 pounds was placed on Charles' head, and he was being closely pursued. In spite of this, in the various places where he sought refuge, his followers remained loyal and he was never betrayed. He eventually caught a ship to France, where he went into exile.
 
Charles was believed to be rude and abusive toward his wife, his mistress, and his daughter. He eventually did die an embittered drunk in 1788.


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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 23:25
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

Syrians fighting Europeans in Lebanon, throw in the Mongols and that's a hell of a mix you got.

Originally posted by Huscarl Huscarl wrote:

How about Saladin, leading a coalition of Egyptians, Syrians and Arabs in the Holy Land against a French King of England leading an army of Western Europeans?

Two things, first, Syrians fighting on the Syrian coast (Lebanon), or Egyptians fighting in the Levant, isn't in anyway odd. Secondly, Syrians & Egyptians did hardly any fighting, the armies were mostly Mamlukes with Arabs making up the rest. So you can have your irony there. (Or perhaps Syrians fighting is the irony LOL)

Europeans fighting Qipchaks in Lebanon.

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Posted By: Huscarl
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2009 at 17:40
One of the WWI battles (I forget which battle, someone remind me!), the German, French and British all had ironic-nationality sounding commander's surnames of one another's countries of origin, as follows (I think).

The British were led by Sir John French
The French were led by Marshall Foch
The Germans were led by General Siegfried von la Chevallerie,

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