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Topic: Neighboring Countries Who Get Along
Posted By: TranHungDao
Subject: Neighboring Countries Who Get Along
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 12:16
Historically, neighboring states throughout the world more often than not are at each other's throats simply due to the fact that they're always fighting each other over vital resources, such as land, water, oil, etc.

Name countries that have historically always gotten along, or even generally so.



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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 12:48
Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.

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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 13:06
Originally posted by TranHungDao TranHungDao wrote:


Name countries that have historically always gotten along, or even generally so.

Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).


Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 13:34
Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).


Nonsense, we Scandinavians have always gotten along perfectly. Sure there has been the occasional war, but those were mainly just to pass the time in between drinking and listening to ABBA.


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Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 13:39
Question Regi
 
Is Finland included? What about Denmark, I always considered it the bad boy of the North (too many wars to be Scandinavian).
 
Al-Jassas


Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 13:56
Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).


Nonsense, we Scandinavians have always gotten along perfectly. Sure there has been the occasional war, but those were mainly just to pass the time in between drinking and listening to ABBA.
 
Well not exactly - I remember back in the 80's, the swedish prime minister Olof Palme declared (obvious mistake) that the little Danish island of Hesselø was Swedish.
 
Big story in the news - and when a danish journalist asked the danish prime minister what we could do about it, the PM jokingly said "We will defend what is ours - even by military force".   
Oh boy - the Swedish Minister of Defence (no humour what so ever) didn't think that was funny... big crisis.... LOL
 
Other than that, yes, we usually get along just fine.
 


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Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 13:58
Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

Question Regi
 
Is Finland included? What about Denmark, I always considered it the bad boy of the North (too many wars to be Scandinavian).


Whether or not you include Finland depends on your criteria. Geographically it makes sense to include Finland, culturally it is also similar to the rest of Scandinavia, but the language is of another world entirely (Finno-Ugric) and the region was under Russian overlordship for over a century.

Denmark the bad boy? Maybe in the middle ages, but from 1500s onwards Sweden emerged as the most aggressive imperialist in the north, invading Denmark, Norway, Germany, Poland, Russia and the Baltic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire

The Swedes weren't entirely peaceful in the middle ages either. The Swedes launched three presumed crusades to Finland, which conquered the area and made sure it remained Swedish for some 600 years. There were also quite a few campaigns directed at Novgorod, but these failed to produce lasting results.

Denmark too was expansionist in the middle ages, particularly in the Baltic and northern Germany, but nothing comparable to what the Swedes achieved. You probably need to go as far back as the 11th century and Canute the Great's empire (Denmark, Norway, England and parts of Sweden) to find Denmark as the undisputed Scandinavian "bad boy".


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Posted By: TranHungDao
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 14:28
Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:


Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).

Ok, if the period of peace and harmony goes on for 200-300 years, then its worth mentioning.  (I know, I know.  I'm still being arbitrary here.)

The Swiss have been neutral for 500 years, no?


Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 14:34
VikingYeahhh - we are the bad boys....   VikingWink
 
Just to complete Regimunds explanation - a couple of pointers...
 
After the era of the Valdemars, 13'th century, Denmark had a long row of bad rulers who made an even longer row of bad decisions. 
The Danish areas in today's south Sweden were lost in 1658, and Norway was transferred from the Danish to the Swedish crown in 1814.
To tease our Scandinavian brothers a bit, you could say that they have been Danish for a much longer time than Norwegian or Swedish.
 
Indeed - bad boys Wink
 


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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 14:44
Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:


Denmark the bad boy? Maybe in the middle ages, but from 1500s onwards Sweden emerged as the most aggressive imperialist in the north, invading Denmark, Norway, Germany, Poland, Russia and the Baltic:


Bah, the Danes started 6 out of 8 Dano-Swedish wars starting with the Nordic Seven Years War. Wink

But yes, Sweden was an aggressive militaristic state during most of the 17th century.

It is true that for the past 200 years peace has reigned in Scandinavia though, and the nations have been mostly friendly towards each other (and for the past 150 or so, extremely friendly) - but this is quite an exception in the 1000+ year history of the three Scandinavian states.



Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 14:53
The elite was either Danish or Danified Norwegians and the official language was Danish, but to go from there to saying the entire population was Danish is a stretch. Tongue Until the rise of nationalism the average Norwegian barely knew what he was beyond belonging to a certain family and local community.

In any case Danish-ruled is the correct term here, for a period of 400 years no less. Personally I think it's a shame we aren't still ruled from Copenhagen as I'm quite pleased with how Denmark is governed and less pleased with the politicians of my own country.


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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 15:04
Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

 
Well not exactly - I remember back in the 80's, the swedish prime minister Olof Palme declared (obvious mistake) that the little Danish island of Hesselø was Swedish.
 
Big story in the news - and when a danish journalist asked the danish prime minister what we could do about it, the PM jokingly said "We will defend what is ours - even by military force".   
Oh boy - the Swedish Minister of Defence (no humour what so ever) didn't think that was funny... big crisis.... LOL
 

I had never heard of that incident. Found a file, was an interesting read. Apparently it was due to Danes drilling after oil on what the Swedes thought was Swedish waters, arguing that the border of the Danish territorial waters should be decided taking only the mainland in consideration and not the small islands (while at the same time arguing the opposite with a border dispute with Sovjet in the Baltic sea, something the Finns had a great time poking fun at). Both sides embarrased themselves, but eventually no oil was found and the sea could be divided into two equal parts without problems! LOL


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 11:27
..and we all thought you guys were all progressive, pragmatic socialists making affordable furniture, very safe cars and hunting the odd elk to pass 18 hr days away.

 Arent Norwegians and danish cut from the same cloth anyway?

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Posted By: The Canadian Guy
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 14:07
Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA. Tourist from both Canada and the USA cross borders all the time. One BIG thing we have in common, both nations were once British. Tongue Well Canada is still more British than the States are, but hey, my nations government is still loyal to the crown.  

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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 14:29
Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.
Except when you start bowling underarm in the last over of a tight Test !


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Posted By: Sparten
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 18:20
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That was an ODI. My country has been around for only 62 years and in that time we have managed to fight against all our neighbours. I tell ya, its a bad locality.


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Posted By: cahaya
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 18:25
Malaysia and Brunei Darussalam... we are always cool...

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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 19:03

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.

They are only neighbours about as much as, say, Ireland and Jamaica though. Two thousand miles apart I think?



Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 20:33
Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA. Tourist from both Canada and the USA cross borders all the time. One BIG thing we have in common, both nations were once British. Tongue Well Canada is still more British than the States are, but hey, my nations government is still loyal to the crown.  


I agree and the only problem I had crossing the border into BC or Alberta, Canda was coming back- US Customs. They never gave me a real hard time but they drill you more with questions than the Canadians. The only concern the Canadians had were guns but I kept my AK-47 well concealed- NOT!!

I see more Canadians down here in Arizona than in Spokane, Washington only two hours south of the border. Most pass on through with their RV's but a few buy homes and stay the winter. Can an American buy property in Canada? I am sure you can but just wondering? I have considered this for a retreat in the summer.

There is a large RV camp not far from me and they were flying a US, Arizona and Canadian flags side by side but the US flag was a bit higher. Funny, I always saw US/Canadian flags flying side by side all the way from Spokane to the border. But, once I got to the other side I did not see this- Canadians why??? Do you dislike our flag? I have been all over southern Alberta and BC and never saw this, only Canadian flags flying alone. The Canadians I meet here are friendly but then again they are guests in a foreign country and it is good to see them. I have a Canadian accent and I say AAA instead of Huh anyway.




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Posted By: The Canadian Guy
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 21:01
Were not a patriotic nation. We have a dislike for nationalism and patriotism. If you go to other regions of Canada, the USA flag is common next to ours. We are not a military nation either, yet we are usually one of the first nation to fight.  Funny that thought, when i go down south of the border, I never see any Canadian flags. I find that now ironic to your post eaglecap. LOL

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 21:25
I gather you live on the eastern seaboard!
If you drive down through anywhere in Washington, Idaho or Montana you will see this. I have even seen Canadian flags as far south as Walla Walla next to the Oregon border. I do not mind it and it helps to remind me of our neighbor to the north. Although, like many Americans I consider myself patriotic and I fly a flag in front of my house. Even when I flew the Greek flag I would not fly it without an American flag above it. The one country I have been to that seems very nationalistic with flags everywhere is Turkey but that is their right. I do not think Mexico and the USA get along so well, especially with the drug smugglers. I love Mexico but unlike Canada it is not safe with the violence caused by the drug cartels. I would love to go south and tour the Hohokham ruins at Casa Grandes but it is not safe without a large group. The US State Dept has issued warnings about the border regions so I may still go down there with a group. I can travel in Canada alone but not Mexico or at least the border regions. Even with the Kurds Turkey is much safer than Mexico but Mexico is far from the most dangerous place to travel in the world. Hey what a good idea for a thread- The most dangerous countries for tourist!! I hope someday I relations will improve.

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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 21:32
Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

Were not a patriotic nation. We have a dislike for nationalism and patriotism. If you go to other regions of Canada, the USA flag is common next to ours. We are not a military nation either, yet we are usually one of the first nation to fight.  Funny that thought, when i go down south of the border, I never see any Canadian flags. I find that now ironic to your post eaglecap. LOL

Yeah, same here. Often all the Nordic flags are raised in a group of flag poles, or along streets.


Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2009 at 21:59

Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

We are not a military nation either, yet we are usually one of the first nation to fight.

Well, I wouldn't say that. Soldiering definately runs deep in Canadian veins, which, I think, is exactly why we are so reluctant to go to war and so cynical about nationalism.



Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 01:01
Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.

They are only neighbours about as much as, say, Ireland and Jamaica though. Two thousand miles apart I think?



Two thousand miles apart!? No way. I don't think it is even 2,000 km - which is a heap closer than the Jamaica/Ireland comparison.

Being both island nations, this for us is very close. We have a higher exchange of people between eachother than with any other single nation, and do consider eachother neighbours in the state sense.


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Posted By: copaloca
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 01:23
It's true that neighbouring nations don't "click". We have a Slovenian - Croatian conflict right now. Actually we really don't like eachother. But i don't kow why and i'm sure that a lot of people don't know it either. It just "go with the herd" effect. It sucks...

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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 02:15
Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Two thousand miles apart!? No way. I don't think it is even 2,000 km - which is a heap closer than the Jamaica/Ireland comparison.

Being both island nations, this for us is very close. We have a higher exchange of people between eachother than with any other single nation, and do consider eachother neighbours in the state sense.

Really? I didn't think they looked that far apart on the map, but I always hear Australians and NZers emphasizing how distant they are from one another?



Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 02:24
the kiwis try and be different, they're sensitive like Canadians that get mistaken for americans

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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 04:08

Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

the kiwis try and be different, they're sensitive like Canadians that get mistaken for americans

Heck, even Americans don't want to be mistaken for Americans! That's why all the backpacking students get packs with a Canadian flag when they do the Europe thing.



Posted By: The Canadian Guy
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2009 at 20:06
It does make me feel uncomfortable when I get questioned by locals in Europe. They ask me if I am Yank or Canuck. I have to explain to them that I am Canadian eh? LOLTongue

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Posted By: AL_C0
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2009 at 20:58
There was a lot of talk of a Canadian invasion by certain right-wing media folks in the U.S in the past couple of years. 

Haven't the Poles and the Magyars gotten along fairly well?


Posted By: The Canadian Guy
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2009 at 22:04
Canadian Invasion eh?LOLLOLLOLLOL I want to hear what they would have to say bout that. LOL Too funny that!

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Posted By: AksumVanguard
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2009 at 22:40
Ethiopia and the Sudan their histories are almost indistinguishable in some regions.

Yemen,Oman and Arabia.

China gets along with Vietnam and Korea pretty well through history they even now have communism in common.

Spain and Portugal??they've been divided but only have had one or 2 wars through out their history.


Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2009 at 23:11
How about Switzerland? I figure they must get on well with all their neighbours.


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 09:29
china does not really get along with Vietnam or Korea

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Posted By: AL_C0
Date Posted: 23-Feb-2009 at 10:27
The Swiss still proudly defend Vatican City.....   not much of a country though....   (Vatican City is not much of a country that is..... more like a city)

I am curious what the Spanish and Portuguese think of each other... i imagine that there are many cases of cross border raids on chicken coops which may inevitably lead to war....


Posted By: AksumVanguard
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2009 at 07:04
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

china does not really get along with Vietnam or Korea


 Vietnam has had conflicts with China in recent decades and that is due to subtle  strategic maneuvers by China. At first Xiaoping had MA supplied to Vietnam with the Ho Chi Mihn
 Trail but China grew more wary of them when Viet Cong  set up bases in Cambodia which led to suspicion,They were looking to get aid  from the USSR but were holding back because the Soviets wanted a communist government in Vietnam by their standards but the USSR brought help eventually. When the US and Vietnam came to a Paris Peace Agreement the Vietnamese were worried about being bullied by China or USSR. So they came into conflict with in the Parcel Islands and were trying to gain more territory in Cambodia to not be squeezed in on on their borders. Vietnam would also not give up territory in Cambodia and Pol Pet regime had massacred Vietnamese living there. They flushed Khmer and henceforth went into conflict with China.

Vietnam eventually has signed a pact with China since the PRC are becoming ever powerful,and are their only source for economic prosperity. PRC also is an economic role model for China.They are in a $20 billion deficit with China and Vietnam has been conceding offshore territory to china in recent years . But I'm pretty sure Vietnam is used to this because China has done this for years even when was called Dat Viet.

China seems to now how to balance a Absolutist and Republic ruled State. Even when China was a Imperial Monarchy it had civil service exams for government officials . Now it seems to be able to balance Communism with Capitalist prosperity.Vietnam is able to recognize China as the best example and cannot hold back any longer.So they have a good relationship

North Korea received help from both China and  USSR in the Korean War but mainly from China giving some 300,000 troops to their aid. North Korea decided to be involved in import and export trade with the Soviet Union after the war but faltered after their fall.Their have been Nuclear Agreement concerns and also China wants to set political requirements in order to become more deeply involved in trade.But the Koreans and  Chinese affairs are not abrasive.But throughout history before the modern era there has been skirmashes on the Sino-Korean border.




Posted By: pebbles
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2009 at 07:37
 
I think Vietnam & Thailand  have cordial relations through out history.
 
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2009 at 08:56
Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
I think Vietnam & Thailand  have cordial relations through out history.
 
 
they are rivals more than anything. Thailand was an important and willing military way point for the US when it was battling the current government of Vietnam.

AksumVanguard, Vietnam has un-resolved territorial disputes with the PRC. The only change today is that the PRC is much more pragmatic in how it deals with its neighbors. But having a war in the 70's and what would be at best cool relations doesnt mean they're good.


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Posted By: pebbles
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2009 at 09:09
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

 
Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
I think Vietnam & Thailand  have cordial relations through out history.
 
 
 
they are rivals more than anything.
 
Thailand was an important and willing military way point for the US when it was battling the current government of Vietnam.


 
 
Not historically though,no Shocked
 
This scenario is more a remnant of " cold war " and Thailand is a stooge of US miltary strategy in SE Asia than real tensions between these 2 countries.
 
 


Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2009 at 09:53
Quote Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA.

Except you did burn each others capitals in the 1812 war. English Canada was founded solely because of bad relations with the rebel USA.
Quote They are only neighbours about as much as, say, Ireland and Jamaica though. Two thousand miles apart I think?

There are thousands of kilometers between Australia and anywhere! Its a six hour flight just to get out of the country.
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China gets along with Vietnam and Korea pretty well through history

The East Asian forum disagrees.
China has has lots of buisness in Vietnam and dominated vietnam during the Early Han, Late Han, Three Kingdoms, Tang, Yuan, and Ming dynasties. If it weren't for the fact that the Vietnamese were too powerful of the Qing, all of modern china would consider it a "lost province", it certainly has been in Chinese control more often than Tibet or Mongolia. It remains to be seen what the PRC will do - they have already invaded once.

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Posted By: AksumVanguard
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 01:54

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


The East Asian forum disagrees.
China has has lots of buisness in Vietnam and dominated vietnam during the Early Han, Late Han, Three Kingdoms, Tang, Yuan, and Ming dynasties. If it weren't for the fact that the Vietnamese were too powerful of the Qing, all of modern china would consider it a "lost province", it certainly has been in Chinese control more often than Tibet or Mongolia. It remains to be seen what the PRC will do - they have already invaded once.


Nam Viet may have always been under China's rulership for most of ancient times but what country do you know that has been dominated and would't want independence . Three kingdoms of Goguryeo it has been a little bit more succesful in fending of the Chinese in ancient history,but we'll agree they have not  always had peaceful relations in history.

In the Sino-Vietnam War both Vietnam could of chose to prolong the conflict but chose not to go on any further.Vietnam knows that China is leaning over them but Vietnamese have no choice,because the PRC have are the biggest support in geopolitical terms and communist relations.,they are their biggest barricade from Western Political Hegemony.

Lets not say that Vietnam enjoys China's dominance.Vietnam  can enter a 16 Word Guideline agreement with China having a sense of pride,because they went to war with one of world's most powerful countries and neither have never once called defeat.If China wanted to they could of invaded after the collapse of the Soviet Union but the had PLA little ability with the drainage of communications ,scarce rations,and  Viets scorch earth  policy.The Hoa have dwelled in China in the past and have problems up until recently,mainly due to political shifting.




Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 04:51
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Quote Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA.

Except you did burn each others capitals in the 1812 war. English Canada was founded solely because of bad relations with the rebel USA.

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British. 



Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 05:00
Iran and Turkey. They used to be bitter enemies, but they have been living peacefully for last two hundred years.

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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 05:21
Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British.

Oh, sorry, only the Americans are for burning york
Quote Iran and Turkey. They used to be bitter enemies, but they have been living peacefully for last two hundred years.

Rolling Eyes Greece and Persia are doing pretty well too, and the Romans haven't fought the Germans for over 60 years now either.
Iran collapsed and then Turkey collapsed. That doesn't count.



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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 16:13
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Oh, sorry, only the Americans are for burning york

And the British for burning Washington. I was always impressed by the First Lady's dignity in that affair.

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.



Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 19:09
Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:



Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:


the kiwis try and be different, they're sensitive like Canadians that get mistaken for americans

Heck, even Americans don't want to be mistaken for Americans! That's why all the backpacking students get packs with a Canadian flag when they do the Europe thing.




Funny, I don't have to do that. Whenever I go to Europe the first question I am asked, 90% of the time, is, "Are you Canadian!" I am not ashamed of being American but sometimes in order to avoid a negative response I would say yes. Even here people ask me a lot if I am Canadian and the answer is in my other life I was- LOL In Greece most of the time they thought I was European but sadly not Greek but German. In Turkey they often thought I was either; Canadian German or Turkish but once in a while American.
I see tons or heaps of Canadian snowbirds down here in southern Arizona who come down for the winter. Most of them come down in large RV vehicles and tour. I see them but I rarely have interaction with them and most are 60/70+++ crowd. Above the RV camp are three poles with an American, Arizona and Canadian flag flying but the American flag is higher than the other two. The Canadians who do come down here seem polite and respectful but this part of our country tends to be conservative and very patriotic. They are still foriegners to us down here but good for the economy and when I enter Canada I am also a foriegner. I was in BC, Canada last summer.

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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 20:10
Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.
 
Crysler's Farm? Was that near Detroit? Really? Smile


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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 23:37
Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.
 
Crysler's Farm? Was that near Detroit? Really? Smile

No, three different fronts. Niagara, Detroit River crossing, and the St. Lawrence corridor (respectively).

I should say that the Detroit front was not really demolished per se ... Hull's surrender was humiliating and costly, but the US was able to regroup and recapture Detroit and then mount a series of succesful attacks/raids as far in as Chatham, but ultimately did not possess the men or material to sustain a campaign and retired back to Detroit. If Hull had not surrendered, they may have been able to sustain a campaign in that sector, so it did end the threat of conquest from that vector.

The few offensive campaigns we participated in (eg down around Plattsburgh etc) generally went badly, because we had lost Brock (genius) at Queenston Heights and the offensive campaigns were organized by Prevost (idiot).



Posted By: Chookie
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 23:50
I suppose I must introduce the Scotland/England thing here.

The English, (and their predecessors) have been historically not very nice to the inhabitants of Scotland.

Historically, we have been not very nice right back at them.

Don't worry though we've managed to nearly civilise the poor (English) buggers.




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Posted By: The Canadian Guy
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2009 at 01:00
Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Quote Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA.

Except you did burn each others capitals in the 1812 war. English Canada was founded solely because of bad relations with the rebel USA.

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British. 

So, they came from Canada, so we did burn Washington. As for the barbarian part, war is not a party; we all get "barbaric".Tongue


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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2009 at 01:15
Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

So, they came from Canada, so we did burn Washington. As for the barbarian part, war is not a party; we all get "barbaric".Tongue

There were no Canadian forces involved in the attack on Washington whatsoever. They were British overseas forces who made a landing on the coast. No Canadian forces ever penetrated that far - we got into Ohio and parts of New York, Vermont etc but not that far south.



Posted By: The Canadian Guy
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2009 at 13:14
Sorry Edgewaters, i am from a military family, I tend to get edgy bout these topics. Tongue I know your rite, but I still like to believe that Canadians burnt the city, not the Brits. 

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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2009 at 17:12
Well ... we did burn Buffalo down, after the Americans burned down Newark. 


Posted By: tullyccro
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 20:27
The United States and....

The United States and, uh....

F***.

The United States and the few hundred remaining peoples of Easter Island, as far as I know we haven't offered them a McDonald's or "democracy" yet.


Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 21:40
Since Mexican- US wars we have not been on the best terms with Mexico and some dream of retaking their former territories but most Mexican I know here do not agree with that. I would love to go down to see the inland see between the mainland of Mexico and the Baja peninsula but going down there is risky, although, I might go with a group to see Casa Grandes next Spring- The Hohokham ruins. It will be fun and once I am down there I really enjoy the people. I spent almost three months in Mazatlan, Mexico and made some friends there. Reading "War of a Thousand Deserts" is teaching me so much about the native Ameircan relations with the Spanish and later the Mexicans. Brian Delay is the author!
My hope is someday these drug wars will end and it will become safer to enter Mexico but I do not count on that happening soon.

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Posted By: Thorvald
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2009 at 00:41
Germany and France have pretty much good relationship since 1945.
 
Iceland has no neighbours. LOL
 
Spain and Portugal perhaps?
 
Austria and Hungary.
 
Belgium and France
 
Lichtenstein, Switserland and Austria
 
 


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Posted By: khshayathiya
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2009 at 01:23
I'm sure Romanians have a lot of sympathy for the Serbs, although in recent years Romania has been forced by its NATO allegiance to allow the use of its air space for strikes against Serbia. Given that, I'm not sure how friendly Serbs are towards Romanians...

Spain and Portugal have been on officially friendly terms for a long time, but there is no real friendship there. The Portuguese are quite touchy when they talk about anything Spanish. They still harbour resent over the loss of colonies when they regained independence after the period of common rule (under Philip II and III of Spain, named Philip I and II of Portugal). It's not hostility, but neither is it a sense of friendship.


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Posted By: Panther
Date Posted: 04-Mar-2009 at 01:34
Would the Irish and Scots count?

The Vatican & the Italian state.

Spain and Portugal.

US and Canada.

Australia & N.Z.

Liechtenstein with Switzerland and Austria.

Monaco & France.


Posted By: khshayathiya
Date Posted: 04-Mar-2009 at 09:22
Well, the Vatican and the Italian state have had some pretty strained relations in the beginning (in the 19th century, that is).

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Posted By: Cataln
Date Posted: 04-Mar-2009 at 16:22
Originally posted by AL_C0 AL_C0 wrote:

I am curious what the Spanish and Portuguese think of each other... i imagine that there are many cases of cross border raids on chicken coops which may inevitably lead to war....


Apart from fantastical intentions of Francisco Franco during the Second World War, there has never been much belligerence between Portugal and Spain after Portugal broke off from Spain in the 17th century.  I know that Portugal did build a number of strong castles along the Spanish border, indicating that there was some threat of invasion, and of course Wellington used Portugal as his means of getting into Spain, but apart from that the history of Portuguese-Spanish relations has more or less been stable.


Posted By: hbalman
Date Posted: 28-May-2009 at 10:29
Turkey and Greece have been good neighbours at all time :)


Posted By: evilbu
Date Posted: 30-May-2009 at 10:30
Here's my list:
 
Estonia and Finland (technically not bordering though)
Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia (I'm thinking of the Baltic way)
Belarus and Russia (well, I don't think any other former Soviet state has better relations with Russia)
Serbia and Montenegro (although they split in 2006)
Romania and Moldova (although I might be wrong here)
Turkey and Azerbaidzjan
India and Nepal (not sure?)
Laos and Vietnam (although I've also read that some people resent domination by Vietnamese, just as in Cambodia)
Peru and Bolivia (although it seems some people in Bolivia expect Peru to give them some of their coast because Chile ran off with it...)
Germany and Austria (not sure?)
Albania and Kosovo (that is if you recognize Kosovo)
Bulgaria and Macedonia (probably somewhat ambiguous)
Armenia and Russia (not really bordering though...)
 
also: the Benelux: Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg. Especially the Flemish region( where I live) has all in all good relations with the Netherlands. The Flemish government and the Dutch government have set up the Dutch language union to work together to regulate the Dutch language, an international organization which is pretty much unique in this aspect.
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 30-May-2009 at 10:49
I would say Greece and Egypt.

Egypt is counted as a neighbour of Greece because both countries share sea borders. Historically both had friendly contacts with each other. Egyptian is the first ethnonym ever mentioned in Greek language. The Greeks traded with the Egyptians and exchanged knowledge. Greeks had their own city in Egypt. One of the major cities of Greece was named after an Egyptian one. One of the largest Greek communities was in Egypt and it is the longest surviving. Until the first half of the 20th century Egypt had the largest Greek community. There have been Egyptians living in Greece since day 0. There's a big number of Greco-Egyptians in both countries, so big that one wouldn't even imagine. The Byzantines supported the large population of Konstantinoupolis (in it's wealthy days) with the help of Egyptian imports. Old Greek heroes/tribal leaders make triumphic return from Egypt.

There are so many things to mention...The only negative event in the last 4000 years in the Nasser regime, but nobody really takes that personal.


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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 30-May-2009 at 10:56
Historically speaking, we count count Greece - Armenia - Cyprus. Both Greeks and Greek Cypriots have been neighbouring with Armenians (even sharing villages). According to Strabo the Thessalian Greeks were kinsmen of the Armenians in their distant past, since Armenus, the founder of Armenia was from Armenion in Thessaly.

Also...Greeks & Georgians. Historically speaking Georgians were sharing with Anatolian Greeks the same Kindom (Pontus).

Cypriots can be paired with Lebanese and Syrians. All of them have noticeable communities in each others countries.


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Posted By: evilbu
Date Posted: 30-May-2009 at 16:15
Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

Historically speaking, we count count Greece - Armenia - Cyprus. Both Greeks and Greek Cypriots have been neighbouring with Armenians (even sharing villages). According to Strabo the Thessalian Greeks were kinsmen of the Armenians in their distant past, since Armenus, the founder of Armenia was from Armenion in Thessaly.

Also...Greeks & Georgians. Historically speaking Georgians were sharing with Anatolian Greeks the same Kindom (Pontus).

Cypriots can be paired with Lebanese and Syrians. All of them have noticeable communities in each others countries.
This is interesting, I did not know of any Armenian presence in Cyprus. Although it does not surprise me, since Armenians have lived (and live) also on the southern coast of Turkey, Lebanon, Bethlehem,.....
 
 
Concerning the Greeks in Egypt.. is there a sense of "revanchism"?  I mean, if we consider Alexander the Great and his generals as Greeks, they pretty much ruled over Egypt for several centuries. I read that a small Greek population lived in Egypt (about one percent), ruling over the others, and that Cleopatra was the first (and last..) of the dynasty who bothered to learn the language (Egyptian).
 
What about Sudan and Egypt?  It used to be one country, Sadat was in fact half-Sudanese.. on the other hand they use the same river (the Nile) which often leads to trouble. Are there border disputes?  And what about the Camp David Accords, did Sudan agree with Egypt being kicked out of the Arab League?


Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 30-May-2009 at 16:27
Originally posted by evilbu evilbu wrote:

This is interesting, I did not know of any Armenian presence in Cyprus. Although it does not surprise, since Armenians have lived (and live) also on the southern coast of Turkey, Lebanon, Bethlehem,.....


Yes, there are Armenians in Cyprus ofcourse and the reason is the one you mentioned. Smile
 
Originally posted by evilbu evilbu wrote:

Concerning the Greeks in Egypt.. is there a sense of "revanchism"?  I mean, if we consider Alexander the Great and his generals as Greeks, they pretty much ruled over Egypt for several countries. I read that a small Greek population lived in Egypt (about one percent), ruling over the others, and that Cleopatra was the first (and last..) of the dynasty who bothered to learn the language (Egyptian).


I know some Egyptians living here. I've never felt that at all. Even people i know that went to Egypt, the egyptians were exclusively warm to them because they were Greeks. Besides, if there was a problem i don't think the entrace to Alexandria would be in Arabic & Greek.





As for Cleopatra & co, they did not rule much different than any other Egyptian Pharaoh to make a difference. Their role was their same, making ethnicity irrelevant.

I don't know in detail what flew inside Nasser and if revanchism was his idea, but one person cannot stigmatize a whole nation and a 4 millenia of mutual relations.


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