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Topic: The Bundesliga Thread 2008
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Subject: The Bundesliga Thread 2008
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2008 at 19:47
If anyone, beside King Kang,Majkes,Temujin and me takes notice of it.....
The Bundesliga starts tonight with the match Bayern München - Hamburg.
Will bet on Borussia Dortmund this season, with their new team manager Juergen Klopp.
Sophisticated examinations later...


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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2008 at 22:50
Bad news for me regarding Bunedsliga this season.  It looks like my satellite company is shuffling some channels in my package and I might lose Gol TV which means I might lose Bundesliga and La Liga.Angry  I think I'm gaining more Central and South American leagues which is cool but I was already getting plenty of that.  Thinking about just buying that Gol TV but I'm already spending so much money for satelite and internet, so I don't know, we will see.....   But in the worst scenario I can only be able to comment German teams through internet game summaries and watching Champs League/UEFA Cup.
 
I still need to look up more info but my gut feeling says right now;
 
1. Bayern Munich
2. Schalke 04
3. Stuttgart
4. Werder Bremen
5. Hamburg
6. Dortmund
7. Leverkusen
8. Bochum
9. Hertha Berlin
 
Good to see FC Köln back in the top league. 
Go over more in details as the season goes on but here is little Dortmund preview for Ulrich. 
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Bundesliga Season Preview: Borussia Dortmund

With the start of a very exciting Bundesliga season upon us, Goal.com previews two teams daily as a part of our build-up. Next up is Borussia Dortmund... 

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13th position last season was Dortmund’s lowest league finish in 20 years and cost Thomas Doll his job. Highly rated Jürgen Klopp has taken the reins at BVB, but can he live up to the huge expectations at the club?

The Only Way Is Up

For a club as big as Borussia Dortmund, who regularly sell-out their 80,000 capacity Signal-Iduna Park stadium, finishing in the bottom half of the table is simply not good enough. It is six years since they last won the Bundesliga, and their 1997 Champions League triumph now seems an eternity ago. How times have changed at the Ruhr club.

Dortmund did qualify for the Uefa Cup this season courtesy of their Cup final appearance last season when they took Bayern Munich to extra-time before losing 2-1. But European competition will be their secondary aim this year as they look to secure a far healthier league position.

The team’s main problem last season was the defence which leaked 62 goals making it the worst in the entire league. Concerns were raised at the start of last season over the age of the back four with Robert Kovac and Christian Wörns, while experienced, certainly not as sprightly as they used to be.  

That area appears to been addressed with the club signing Neven Subotic from Klopp’s former club Mainz and Brazilian Felipe Santana from Figueirense. 19 year old Subotic is a Bosnian-born American U-20 international who Klopp knows very well, while 22 year old Santana at 6ft 4 will provide a definite presence at the heart of the BVB defence.  

Former German international Patrick Owomoyela has also been brought in from Werder Bremen to play at full back if his injury nightmare has finally cleared up. He is a ready-made replacement for Liverpool-bound Philipp Degen.

The club have also signed one of the star players of last season in Hungarian Tamas Hajnal from Karlsruhe. The reported fee of €1.3 million appears an absolute steal for a player who played a massive part in the success that Karlsruhe achieved last season following promotion to the Bundesliga.  

Looking through the rest of the squad, Jürgen Klopp has every reason to feel optimistic about the forthcoming season. The recent T-Home Super Cup win over Bayern, although a pre-season game, showed that they possess the quality to compete.
Keeper Roman Weidenfeller will face competition from Marc Ziegler who deputised so admirably last season. Alongside the newcomers in defence Klopp still has the energetic Brazilian Dedé, the experienced Robert Kovac, Croat Antonio Rukavina as well as Bayern Munich loanee Mats Hummels, of whom a lot is expected.

Whatever system Klopp chooses to employ, the midfield is well stocked with talented players to fill many roles. Pole ‘Kuba’ Blaszczykowski impressed during his first season at the club, while Sebastian Kehl and Florian Kringe remain at the club. The action-packed Tinga will run and run, while Tamas Hajnal will bring some guile. Turk Nuri Sahin, who holds the record as being the youngest ever Bundesliga player, returns after a loan spell in Holland with Feyenoord.

The goal threat will come from Swiss star Alexander Frei when he recovers from yet another injury, much sought-after Mladen Petric who scored 13 goals in his debut Bundesliga season, and Nelson Valdez. Then there is ‘super-sub’ Diego Klimowicz who can always be relied upon to make an impact from the bench.

All in all the Dortmund squad is packed with talented players, who have a lot to prove after the disappointments of last season. Whether they can live up to the pressure put on them by 80,000 demanding fans is the big question.

Coach: Jürgen Klopp

Stadium: Signal-Iduna Park (80,552)

2007/08 Position: 13th

2007/08 Record: P-34 W-10 D-10 L-14 F-50 A-62 Pts-40

Players In: Patrick Owomoyela (Werder Bremen), Neven Subotic (Mainz), Felipe Santana (Figueirense), Tamas Hajnal (Karlsruhe), Nuri Sahin (Feyenoord- loan return)

Players Out: Philipp Degen (Liverpool), Christian Wörns (retired), Steven Pienaar (Everton), Martin Amedick (Kaiserslautern), Markus Brzenska (Duisburg)

Possible Line-Up: Weidenfeller- Dede, Subotic, Hummels, Owomoyela- Tinga, Kehl, ‘Kuba’, Hajnal- Petric, Frei

Prognosis:

It surely can’t get any worse than last year could it?  Shoring up the defence is the main priority for Jürgen Klopp and the arrivals of Subotic and Felipe Santana will surely help.  Tamas Hajnal is another quality signing to add to a squad that on paper could do well this season.   

The club has everything going for it- a huge stadium, passionate fans, a talented trainer and a squad packed with internationals.  The task now is to mould a winning team.  Jürgen Klopp will be judged on the improvement he makes in comparison to last season, but as said earlier- the only way is up for Dortmund.  

Prediction: 8th
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2008 at 06:59
Friday, August 15
Bayern Munich 2
Hamburg SV 2 Final
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Saturday, August 16
Arminia Bielefeld 2
Werder Bremen 2 Final
 
Bayer Leverkusen 2
Borussia Dortmund 3 Final
 
Energie Cottbus 0
TSG Hoffenheim 3 Final
 
Karlsruhe 1
VfL Bochum 0 Final
 
Schalke 04 3
Hannover 96 0 Final
 
VfL Wolfsburg 2
1. FC Köln 1 Final
 
 
 
 
Sunday, August 17
Borussia M'gladbach 1
VfB Stuttgart 3 Final
 
Eintracht Frankfurt 0
Hertha Berlin 2 Final
 
 
 


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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2008 at 07:58
I could only find Bayern Munich highlight so far.  I doubt that Hamburg will be as good as they were last season losing van der Vaart to Real Madrid but opening the season with 2:2 tie in Munich isn't that bad at all.  Bayern didn't bring Ribery or Toni(injuries?, Olympics? rest?), but Podolski and Schweinsteiger were lively.  I've been saying in the summer transfer thread, they don't need Toni.  I would trade Toni for Deco, Ballack, Pirlo or even Riquelme type of player for this Bayern squad any day.   Maybe Borowski can be that guy but right now he's coming off the bench for both Bayern and Germany.
 
Werder Bremen also tied with Arminia Bielefeld, 2:2.  No Diego, Olympics?  Diego means to Bremen more than Ribery means to Bayern at this point.   Rosenberg scored both goals though.  That's a good sign.  They are gonna need him more now Klasnic is gone.
 
Dortmund beat Leverkusen!   I think it was in Leverkusen too.   Leverkusen didn't have Bernd Schneider, their Diego.  Good win for Dortmund either way against a descent team.
 
Schalke beat Hannover 3:0  I have feeling Schalke and Kuranyi will have good season this year. I can see them in the second place in Bundesliga and quarterfinals in the Champs League.  i guess that's pretty much what they did last year.
 
Stuttgart also won.  Saw Gomez's goal.  Why couldn't he do that in Euro 08?  Nutmegging the keeper was maybe some little luck but the way he calmly trapped, shielded and turned was a nice center forward move. Remind me of one that Ibrahimovich did to Sergio Ramos on Euro 08.  Hilbert and Hitzleperger are so versatile.   Marica had a good goal too.  And perhaps most important Lehmann played well.  I like the new black uniform too.  Although it does remind me of Bayern Munich little too much.     
 
      


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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2008 at 19:16
I will be cheering as usual for Schalke and Borussia D. Hope they will finish as they started. I'm happy for munichBig%20smile. The same wishes for them.
 
King Kang: You must be a sport journalist or at least You will become him in the future.Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2008 at 19:53
Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

 
I still need to look up more info but my gut feeling says right now;
 
1. Bayern Munich
2. Schalke 04
3. Stuttgart
4. Werder Bremen
5. Hamburg
6. Dortmund
7. Leverkusen
8. Bochum
9. Hertha Berlin
 
Good to see FC Köln back in the top league. 
Go over more in details as the season goes on but here is little Dortmund preview for Ulrich. 


if i were you i wouldn't publish that list though, i don't even know where to start my critics. bayern might but maybe not win again this season but this season is less likely than last one. but Schalke on 2nd? Confused i don't know what Bremen did to you to be on 4th spot but they are definatley ahead of Schalke and on Bayerns tail big time. Stuttgart on 3rd Smile well we'll see, they had a strong start which is uncommon, but it will be good if it remains like that, i think after the last season the position of our coach is maybe not very secure even if there was no critics but you'll never know in football and his position was never secure in the first place. the rest of the clubs on your list are not even worth a single comment. you've forgotten two clubs big time: Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim. yeah they are "new" names sort of but those two clubs, particularly Hoffenheim have the bayern factor, that is a uber-rich sponsor big time. Wolfsburg has a good coach that doesn't need much itnro and their cadre was well last year and with Volkswagen as sponsor they want to attack the UEFA Cup with flying colours. and Hoffenheim, they play their first ever season in the Bundesliga, just like they emerged from obscurity and had a sudden rise thanks to money money money from a generous sponsor. their story of sucess would be worth a movie but no it isn't, money don't shoot goals as they say but money gets you good players, and those shoot the goals, so yes, money does dominate the bUndesliga big time. this is also my big grudge this season and certainly i won't watch it as excited as i would otherwise. Hoffenheim, my new pet hate after Bayern will most likely establsih themselves in the Bundesliga just like Bayern did (remember it was money again, Munichs traditional major club is 1860 München, as the name suggests a club with tradition). Ok my rant is finished :P


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2008 at 19:56
Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

I could only find Bayern Munich highlight so far.  I doubt that Hamburg will be as good as they were last season losing van der Vaart to Real Madrid but opening the season with 2:2 tie in Munich isn't that bad at all.  Bayern didn't bring Ribery or Toni(injuries?, Olympics? rest?), but Podolski and Schweinsteiger were lively.  I've been saying in the summer transfer thread, they don't need Toni.  I would trade Toni for Deco, Ballack, Pirlo or even Riquelme type of player for this Bayern squad any day.   Maybe Borowski can be that guy but right now he's coming off the bench for both Bayern and Germany.
 
Werder Bremen also tied with Arminia Bielefeld, 2:2.  No Diego, Olympics?  Diego means to Bremen more than Ribery means to Bayern at this point.   Rosenberg scored both goals though.  That's a good sign.  They are gonna need him more now Klasnic is gone.
 
Dortmund beat Leverkusen!   I think it was in Leverkusen too.   Leverkusen didn't have Bernd Schneider, their Diego.  Good win for Dortmund either way against a descent team.
 
Schalke beat Hannover 3:0  I have feeling Schalke and Kuranyi will have good season this year. I can see them in the second place in Bundesliga and quarterfinals in the Champs League.  i guess that's pretty much what they did last year.
 
Stuttgart also won.  Saw Gomez's goal.  Why couldn't he do that in Euro 08?  Nutmegging the keeper was maybe some little luck but the way he calmly trapped, shielded and turned was a nice center forward move. Remind me of one that Ibrahimovich did to Sergio Ramos on Euro 08.  Hilbert and Hitzleperger are so versatile.   Marica had a good goal too.  And perhaps most important Lehmann played well.  I like the new black uniform too.  Although it does remind me of Bayern Munich little too much.     
 
      


Bayern faces serious losses due to injuries, Olympcis only affected Bremen much, as you noted with Diego. yeah Stuttgart started well, with both Gomez and Marica scoring, thats promising. also lehman seems stable, too bad though the UEFA Cup qualification was missed, i hope that will be made up this season by thouroughly excellent performance in the Bundelsiga.


Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2008 at 22:55
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

 
I still need to look up more info but my gut feeling says right now;
 
1. Bayern Munich
2. Schalke 04
3. Stuttgart
4. Werder Bremen
5. Hamburg
6. Dortmund
7. Leverkusen
8. Bochum
9. Hertha Berlin
 
Good to see FC Köln back in the top league. 
Go over more in details as the season goes on but here is little Dortmund preview for Ulrich. 


if i were you i wouldn't publish that list though, i don't even know where to start my critics. bayern might but maybe not win again this season but this season is less likely than last one. but Schalke on 2nd? Confused i don't know what Bremen did to you to be on 4th spot but they are definatley ahead of Schalke and on Bayerns tail big time. Stuttgart on 3rd Smile well we'll see, they had a strong start which is uncommon, but it will be good if it remains like that, i think after the last season the position of our coach is maybe not very secure even if there was no critics but you'll never know in football and his position was never secure in the first place. the rest of the clubs on your list are not even worth a single comment. you've forgotten two clubs big time: Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim. yeah they are "new" names sort of but those two clubs, particularly Hoffenheim have the bayern factor, that is a uber-rich sponsor big time. Wolfsburg has a good coach that doesn't need much itnro and their cadre was well last year and with Volkswagen as sponsor they want to attack the UEFA Cup with flying colours. and Hoffenheim, they play their first ever season in the Bundesliga, just like they emerged from obscurity and had a sudden rise thanks to money money money from a generous sponsor. their story of sucess would be worth a movie but no it isn't, money don't shoot goals as they say but money gets you good players, and those shoot the goals, so yes, money does dominate the bUndesliga big time. this is also my big grudge this season and certainly i won't watch it as excited as i would otherwise. Hoffenheim, my new pet hate after Bayern will most likely establsih themselves in the Bundesliga just like Bayern did (remember it was money again, Munichs traditional major club is 1860 München, as the name suggests a club with tradition). Ok my rant is finished :P
 
I am actually feeling alright with my top 4 picks.Wink  I do think Schalke will be better.  Farfan and Engelaar are good pick ups.  And I have a strange feeling Kuranyi will have a great season and I don't even like the guy.  I like Rakitic and Rafinha's wing play too.  Ernst, Jermaine Jones, Altintop, Asamoah, Bordon can hold their own.  I thought last year's Champs League quarterfinal was more an fluke which it probably was but still I think it gave something to build on. 
 
But I do think I put Schalke above Bremen not necessarily Schalke will be better but Bremen will be worse than last year.  Losing Klasnic and Boroswki might not seem that big of loss but I think it will put more pressure on their forwards and central midfielders.  Frings and Bauman must stay healthy.  They did pick up Claudio Pizarro though.  I like him better than Kuranyi, least I used to.  But I don't think he will be that much better than Almeida and I don't think they should play together.
 
Stuttgart, I think they are top 3-4 team anyway, no matter what happened last season.  And I think Lehmann will be an improvement from whoever they had last season.  Boulahrouz is a good pick up also, another versatile ball handling defender who can play any position in the back even if just as a sub.  But what I look forward for Stuttgart is healthy Basturk playing up to what he's capable of.  Hey, Temujin what you think of Marica?  Is he a starter on this team? 
 
For me the hardest team to figure out right now is Hamburg.  How will they cope with losing van der Vaart.  Although they started out good with tying Bayern 2:2 in Munich but eventually they are gonna run out of ideas which van der Vaart used to supply.  I think I was generous placing them in the fifth but that's more to with lack of challengers on that spot.
 
And yes I totally forgot about Wolfsburg.  I think both Wolfsburg and Dortmund could pass Hamburg and fight for UEFA Cup spots.
 
And Tem, thanks for the infos on Hoffenheim.  Obviously they are out of my radar because they weren't in the top league last year?  When was last time they were?  But I will keep an eye on them now, for sure.  Perhaps this year's Karlsruhe? 
 
My picks revised
 
1. Bayern Munich
2. Schalke 04
3. Stuttgart
4. Werder Bremen
5. Dortmund
6. Hamburg
7. Leverkusen
8. Wolfsburg
9. Hertha Berlin
10. Bochum         


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2008 at 15:19
as i said before, Hoffenheim was never in the Bundesliga before, and iirc they only entered the 2nd Bundesliga for the first time last season, actually they themselves didn't anticipated this so soon already but it was their ultimate goal, and as i said before they have the money big time, eventually they could even make Bayern look poor (like Wolfsburg now tries to). this season is totally unrpedictable and no, Hoffenheim is not just another Karlsruhe, Karslruhe was lucky last season, Hoffenheim is not lucky, Hoffenheim has the budget of clubs like Frankfurt and Bochum combined just for comparison. they have come to stay and they most likely will, thats what pisses me off. imagine Stuttgart would get sponsored by the local automobile industry like VW does for Wolfsburg, i mean combine the money of Porsche and Mercedez alone, that would catapult Stuttgart in the upper stratas of the european football forever. it completely evades my mind why those combanies do not sponsor Stuttgart more, but on the other hand Stuttgart would then be just one of those asshole clubs like Bayern and Schalke.

but thats just one of the reasons i might be not into Bundesliga much this season. last season was pretty dissapointing. Bayern had shown its weakness on the international level big time, yet they still pretty much dominated the Bundesliga, so that has left me off a bit dissillusioned after the end of last season but it wasn't immediately obvious because of the distraction offered by the EC.


Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2008 at 08:10
Some big games this weekend, guys.   Dortmund vs Bayern, wow, Ulrich!  Bremen vs Schalke!  woooooo....  and  Stuttgart vs Leverkusen!
 
I'll be cheering for Dortmund, Bremen and Stuttgart.  But I will pick Bayern, Schalke and Stuttgart to win.  I hope I'm wrong on two out the three.    


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I believe I am a reflection, like the moon on water. When you see me, and I try to be a good man, you see yourself.
- from 'Kundun'

www.ted.com


Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 18:40
Friday, August 22, 2008
Status Home Score Away VENUE (ATT.)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=2428&cc=5901 - Hannover 96 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252679&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 0 - 0 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=123&cc=5901 - Energie Cottbus http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/wc/news/story?id=2426013 - AWD-Arena (36,000)
Saturday, August 23, 2008
Status Home Score Away VENUE (ATT.)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=7911&cc=5901 - TSG Hoffenheim http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252470&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 1 - 0 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=268&cc=5901 - Borussia M'gladbach Carl-Benz-Stadion (26,300)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=134&cc=5901 - VfB Stuttgart http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252506&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 0 - 2 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=131&cc=5901 - Bayer Leverkusen Mercedes-Benz Arena (45,000)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=127&cc=5901 - Hamburg SV http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252530&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 2 - 1 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=4471&cc=5901 - Karlsruhe HSH Nordbank Arena (50,637)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=124&cc=5901 - Borussia Dortmund http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252536&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 1 - 1 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=132&cc=5901 - Bayern Munich Signal-Iduna-Park (80,552)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=137&cc=5901 - Werder Bremen http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252624&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 1 - 1 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=133&cc=5901 - Schalke 04 Weserstadion (42,100)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=129&cc=5901 - Hertha Berlin http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252647&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 1 - 1 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=2506&cc=5901 - Arminia Bielefeld http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/wc/news/story?id=2425951 - Olympiastadion (36,302)
Sunday, August 24, 2008
Status Home Score Away VENUE (ATT.)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=122&cc=5901 - 1. FC Köln http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252532&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 1 - 1 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=125&cc=5901 - Eintracht Frankfurt RheinEnergie Stadion (50,000)
Final http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=121&cc=5901 - VfL Bochum http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=252694&league=GER.1&cc=5901 - 2 - 2 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=138&cc=5901 - VfL Wolfsburg rewirpowerSTADION (17,000)
 
 
Dortmund and Bayern tied, though it seems that Dortmund should have won.  Dortmund had a man advantage more than last hour of the game when von Bommel got kicked out.   From Dortmund point of view, a tie with Bayern is not a bad result at this point but this one they should have walked away with 3 points. 
 
Schalke and Bremen also tied which I would say is a win for Bremen since they were still missing Diego.  But they were at home too. So a tie sounds about right.
 
Most surprising result was probably Levekusen beating Stuttgart 2-0.  Oh is it gonna be another slow start for Stuttgart?  I don't get it.  They sat Basturk on the bench all game long.  Is he not fit or is he falling out of the starting lineup?  Tem?  Playing both Hilbert and Hitzlsperger as defensive mids?   Which I can see it working both are talented, versatile.  But who is the playmaker on this team?  Pardo?  Cacau?  But I still see Basturk as the Deco of this team.  Am I wrong on that?
 
And after two weeks, Hoffenheim is the only team with 6 points!  I guess my hat's off to Temujin again.  It's only after two games but it does seem like they are here to stay aren't they?   I doubted a little because their roster itself didn't impress me that much.  But we will see.  I still don't think they are ready to challenge a UEFA Cup spot though. 
 
Bochum and Wolfsburg tying 2:2, that must've been the game of the week, hah?  Both are good midlevel teams.   Perhaps Wolfsburg has more upside as far as resources like Tem said.  I can't see either of them in Champs League spots with current rosters though.
 
Next week match ups are not as exciting as this week.  Leverkusen and Hoffenheim grabs me most right now.  Other than that all the top teams got easy opponents.             


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I believe I am a reflection, like the moon on water. When you see me, and I try to be a good man, you see yourself.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 20:22
i am not yet really informed about what was going on during the summer break so give me some time. Stuttgart playing well one day and crap the next is not something new or surprising unfortunately. and don't say i didn't told you about Hoffenheim. it is still questionable where on the table they will end up but they certainly don't have to fight to stay in the Bundesliga. the official set goal for Wolfsburg is to win the UEFA Cup, as far as i know they haven't set any other goal yet for the future, they still need to struggle to establish them on the international scene and even Bayern last season didn't win the UEFA Cup so it's more about consolidation at the moment i guess, other than that they'll focus on the UEFA Cup most.


Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 21:03
Looking at the Wolfsburg roster, one guy sticks out to me most is of course a Brazilian Josue.  I don't remember when he got there.  It must've been last season or over the summer, hah?  A good player.  I remember him from Sao Paulo days.  I think Dunga wants him to be like Ze Roberto for Brazilian national team.  Perhaps that is a tall order for the youngster.  A holding mid, creative enough for some linking plays and contolling the tempo.  Would he be as good of defender or as effective out on the wings like Ze Roberto?  I doubt it.  But I have feeling he will have more offensive duties than deffensive duties for Wolfsburg than he has for Brazil.  A great pick up either way.  I would have wanted to see him in Bremen or Stuttgart though.  
 
I still don't see this squad better than the likes of.....  let's see......  Dortmund.   But I hear Dortmund is not focusing on UEFA Cup this season but rather improving their standing in Bundesliga.  Still I do have a big hope for Dortmund to make some big waves in UEFA Cup this season.  


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2008 at 21:35
other than Josue, Zaccardo and Barzagli both from Italy joined the defensive of Wolfsburg. i just noticed the other Brazilian (Juninho somehting?) is missing. Dortmunds cadre this season is pretty good actually and i predict Hamburg and Dortmund will change roles this time


Posted By: es_bih
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2008 at 00:37
Which provider do you have King? I got Dish, they better be all there ;). I have not had a chance to watch any games yet, been extremely busy. Hopefully by the weekend. 

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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2008 at 18:52
I got dish too and still without Gol TV.  But fortunately I have a German friend(well, half German/half Italian) who gets Gol TV and I can go to sports bars too, though you have to fight for a TV and a table among the bar full of NFL/NCAA football fans.   Yeah, so it's not likely I can watch least a game or two of Bundesliga every week like I did last season.  But I will try to watch as much as I can for sure.  I still get some highlight/news kinda shows too. 

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2008 at 09:29
Hey King ,read today that Borussia Dortmund hired a corean player.
Young-Pyo Lee should be a role player and a backup for the currently injured Dede, was loan out from the Hotspurs.
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2008 at 20:41
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten ulrich von hutten wrote:

Hey King ,read today that Borussia Dortmund hired a corean player.
Young-Pyo Lee should be a role player and a backup for the currently injured Dede, was loan out from the Hotspurs.
Didn't know him before, do you?
 
Awesomeness!  More reason for me to cheer for Dortmund this season.  Young Pyo Lee is a good player.  I'm gonna have to say he is the best Korean dribbler even if he's a defender.  Think of Korean Lahm.  
 
He was one of the best player for Korean team in 2002.  Hiddink liked him so much he took him and Ji Sung Park to PSV after the WC.  With PSV, not only they won the Eredivisie every year he was there they also went to the Champs League semifinal one year and almost beat AC Milan to go to the final.  I remember that semifinal very well, especially even Cafu had hard time defending him out on the wings.
 
With Tottenham he was big hit at first but they switched him to right back and he struggled.  He suffered some big injuries with Tottenham too. 
 
I don't think he is the same Young Pyo Lee that took PSV to the Champs League semifinal anymore, he is 31 and that was already 3-4 years ago, plus the injuries he suffered.  But I see why Dortmund picked him up if Dede is injured.  At this point I question his ability to shut down an opponent's winger defensively but as a wingback he can still run the offense like how Dede does for Dortmund.  And when Dede comes back, I think you can still play both together. 
 
When Hiddink was coaching the Korean team, he actually went with 3-5-2 formation and used him as more of a holding mid/winger, which I think is his best position.  Funny enouygh, one of the knock on him as wingback is that he tends to hold the ball little too long in the back.  Who does he think he is, a Brazilian?Big%20smile But in 4-4-2, he needs a defensive mid parter who stays home a lot so he can slip out the wings for offense, like Makalele or Gattuso type.  
 
I will tell you this, Ulrich.  There will be some moments this season that he will make you wonder why this guy isn't an world class wing attacker, but there will be also few moments you see him manhandled defensively against a physical attacker.  I just don't think he's an elite team starting wingback in defensive point of view but he is still an elite team starting wingback in offensive point of view.  I hope the rest of Dortmund defense is strong enough so he can get out more where you can see his skills. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-aSSY345o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-aSSY345o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vLwMlYtTP0&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vLwMlYtTP0&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Young-Pyo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Young-Pyo    


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2008 at 19:55
Bremen (particularly Frings) sucked, Leverkusen is on a winning course, Stuttgart won again and Bayern too, for a change Tongue


Leverkusen - Hoffenheim was a rather good match, the result is a bit decieving as both clubs played a good offensive football and Hoffenheim was the less experienced.


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 14:46

Today, dear King Kang, Dortmund hosts Schalke. A match of a great brisance.

Nearby, in Cologne, the FC Köln faces to Bayern München. The matches are already running and i'm sitting in my workroom, the fireside is on, a coffee nearby,listen to WDR 2 livestream. The world is so beautyful.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 14:56
20 Min 0:1 Schalke Farfan penalty, shame.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 16:03
15 minutes to go 2:3, Dortmund scored two goas in the last 5 minutes, while München leads by 2 goals to 0 in Cologne.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 16:21
What a match, Dortmund scored the third goal by a penalty at minute 89 ,after 2 players of Schalke were disqualified during the second half.
 
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 19:13
Wow that must've been another pandemonium in Dortmund, Ulrich.   Good to see the Frei is healthy again.  Too bad he got hurt for Swiss over the summer but now he's healthy again, that definitely helps Dortmund to have a better season. 
 
Two men advantage or not, coming back from 3-0 to tie the game is a quite an achievement!  Do they have any Turks in the Dortmund squad?Big%20smile  How did Young Pyo Lee look?  Well, the defense couldn't have looked that good going down 3-0, huh?  But did he contribute in the 2nd half surge?     


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 19:19
Lee looked good, but not to offend Ulrich, but the tie by Dortmund was more luck than anyhting. 


Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 20:28
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten ulrich von hutten wrote:

Today, dear King Kang, Dortmund hosts Schalke. A match of a great brisance.

Nearby, in Cologne, the FC Köln faces to Bayern München. The matches are already running and i'm sitting in my workroom, the fireside is on, a coffee nearby,listen to WDR 2 livestream. The world is so beautyful.

I will report later on.
 
 
Didn't see that post earlier.  Yes, the world is so beautyful, isn't it?  We had our first cold weather this week.  I guess it's been cold enough for a fireplace in Iceland for some weeks huh?  Or is it always?  I was dreading for the prospect of another winter but you just made me to look forward.  I'm not even a coffee drinker, it sounds good to me now.
 
Here are today's results
 
RheinEnergie Stadion
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  http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/team?id=122 - 1. FC Köln   http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=252639&league=GER.1 - 0 - 3   http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/team?id=132 - Bayern Munich
53'     0 - 1 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=14104&cc=5901 - Luca Toni
60'     0 - 2 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=14104&cc=5901 - Luca Toni
90'     0 - 3 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84628&cc=5901 - Lukas Podolski
http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/report?id=252639&league=GER.1 - Report | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=252639&league=GER.1 - Match | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=252639&league=GER.1 - Gamecast
Final
Signal-Iduna-Park
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20'     0 - 1 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=33761&cc=5901 - Jefferson Farfan (pen)
39'     0 - 2 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=69155&cc=5901 - Rafinha
54'     0 - 3 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84811&cc=5901 - Heiko Westermann
67' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=98141&cc=5901 - Neven Subotic Goal 1 - 3    
71' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84638&cc=5901 - Alexander Frei Goal 2 - 3    
73'       Red%20Card http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=86085&cc=5901 - Christian Pander
76'       Red%20Card http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=10755&cc=5901 - Fabian Ernst
89' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84638&cc=5901 - Alexander Frei (pen) Goal 3 - 3    
http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/report?id=252664&league=GER.1 - Report | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=252664&league=GER.1 - Match | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=252664&league=GER.1 - Gamecast
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4'     0 - 1 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84684&cc=5901 - Tranquillo Barnetta
24'     0 - 2 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=111659&cc=5901 - Patrick Helmes
36' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=40270&cc=5901 - José Paolo Guerrero Goal 1 - 2    
40'       Red%20Card http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84709&cc=5901 - Manuel Friedrich
51' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=86454&cc=5901 - Ivica Olic Goal 2 - 2    
72' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=102202&cc=5901 - Mladen Petric Goal 3 - 2    
http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/report?id=252556&league=GER.1 - Report | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=252556&league=GER.1 - Match | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=252556&league=GER.1 - Gamecast
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Olympiastadion
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1'     0 - 1 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=52759&cc=5901 - Ricardo Costa
57' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=114897&cc=5901 - Gojko Kacar Goal 1 - 1    
85' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=77717&cc=5901 - Cícero Goal 2 - 1    
89'     2 - 2 Goal http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=102336&cc=5901 - Sascha Riether
http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/report?id=252451&league=GER.1 - Report | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=252451&league=GER.1 - Match | http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=252451&league=GER.1 - Gamecast
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75' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=56727&cc=5901 - Diego Goal 1 - 0    
80' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=9828&cc=5901 - Torsten Frings Goal 2 - 0    
83' http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=84801&cc=5901 - Boubacar Sanogo Goal 3 - 0    
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 00:00
actually there were two local derbies today if you look at the match ups. other than Schalke - Dortmund also Stuttgart played vs Hoffenheim the Bundesliga newcomer. usually matches between Stuttgart and Karslruhe have been called as local derby but that wasn't really true because Karlsruhe was the capital of Baden and Stuttgart the capital of Württemberg. after ww2 both countries descided to amalgate but still that doesn't make it a derby. Hoffenheim on the other hand is in Württemberg too. i hope that Freiburg makes it into the 1. Bundesliga too next season, so Karlsruhe also has their local derby matchup and there would be for the first time(?) 4 teams from Baden-Württemberg in the Bundesliga.


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 07:13
Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

Wow that must've been another pandemonium in Dortmund, Ulrich.   Good to see the Frei is healthy again.  Too bad he got hurt for Swiss over the summer but now he's healthy again, that definitely helps Dortmund to have a better season. 
 
Two men advantage or not, coming back from 3-0 to tie the game is a quite an achievement!  Do they have any Turks in the Dortmund squad?Big%20smile  How did Young Pyo Lee look?  Well, the defense couldn't have looked that good going down 3-0, huh?  But did he contribute in the 2nd half surge?     
 
Young was in the starting line-up and did a good, but more unobtrusive job. But Frei's comeback was like a thunderstorm that came over Schalke.


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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 10:00
I think the refree was also very helpfull to Borussia.


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2008 at 21:25
OMG all Hail Bremen, and this happened just as the Oktoberfest is begining!!!!!!! ClapClapClapClapNuke


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 19:38
and today Hoffenheim surprised by beating Dortmund and taking 2nd place in the Bundesliga, while 2 years before it wasn't even in 2. Bundesliga. Stuttgart also won vs Karlsruhe and takes the 3rd place and the newspapers et al again took the opportunity to piss em off and call it a derby. Freiburg also had a decisive win and took first place in 2. Bundesliga, so unless Karlsrueh fails me it seems next season we see 4 clubs from Baden-Württemberg in the 1. Bundesliga.

oh yeah and Gazprom 04 took lead in the 1. Bundesliga with an unimpressive match that amounted to a total defeat, the only goal was shot by Frankfurt themselves! LOL


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2008 at 16:35
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

and today Hoffenheim surprised by beating Dortmund and taking 2nd place in the Bundesliga, while 2 years before it wasn't even in 2. Bundesliga. Stuttgart also won vs Karlsruhe and takes the 3rd place and the newspapers et al again took the opportunity to piss em off and call it a derby. Freiburg also had a decisive win and took first place in 2. Bundesliga, so unless Karlsrueh fails me it seems next season we see 4 clubs from Baden-Württemberg in the 1. Bundesliga.

oh yeah and Gazprom 04 took lead in the 1. Bundesliga with an unimpressive match that amounted to a total defeat, the only goal was shot by Frankfurt themselves! LOL
 
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 28-Sep-2008 at 18:09
Dortmund this time licks Stuttgart, and BTW i LOVE the new away colours because they are in the national colours of Württemberg, Black and Red. if anything Bayern immitates Stuttgart! LOL oh yeah bayern, they lost (again) to Hanover, which is actually suprizing. the start of this season is already ruined for them, Dortmund and particularly Hamburg can say quite the opposite for themselves. the best match yesterday was however by far Bremen vs Hoffenheims 5:4 that started as a 1:1, 4:1, 4:4, 5:4 and it was already 4:1 after half an hour! (it has been called match of the year and everyone who has the chance should watch it!) not to say, Hoffenheim, the youngest team in the BL actually could have scored more goals with a bit more luck, Bremen can actually be lucky to get away with 3 points! speaking of which, i have to correct myself, Hoffenheim is from Northern Baden and not Nortern Württemberg as i assumed... Embarrassed (but then it makes it easier for me to hate them LOL ) so unless the Stuttgarter Kickers or VfR Aalen ascend from the 3. Bundesliga, there won't be a derby for us Württemberger anytime soon. nevertheless, there were some ugly scenes between fans of Stuttgart and Karlsruhe hooligans that clashed with each others after the match (again). so even though it's not a real derby, some fans think different... Unhappy


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2008 at 07:10
All teams of the Bundesliga were promoted to the next round at the UEFA-CUP. All teams, Schalke, Hamburg, Wolfsburg and Stuttgart but my beloved Borussia Dortmund not!
Dortmund was leading last night in Udine (Italy) after regular and extra time by 2 to 0, for the first match in Dortmund two weeks ago Dortmund lost by 0:2, a penalty shoot out had to find out the winner.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2008 at 19:08
nothing really spectacular this weekend, Stuttgart 3rd by beating Bremen, Hoffenheim 2nd, Bayern continues its downfall.... Stuttgart will meet Bayern in DFB Cup, that will also be interesting...


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2008 at 14:55
Europe has to prepare. After 11 matchdays the promoted team of Hoffenheim is leading the schedule.
 
The team from provincial backwater, from a town, that hasn't more than 3750 habitants, was climbing from the lowest to the highest division within 15 years.
 
Now, while the established teams like Bremen and Bayern München all cultivate their internal fights, Hoffenheim and another "retort" team of leverkusen, are leading the Bundesliga.
 
Hoffenheim , sponsored by the owner of SAP, the largest European software enterprise, will do the next step after the running season and have their first match in an European football competition, i'm sure.
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Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2008 at 23:41
We could name them Chelheim or Hoffensea. I don't like these type of clubs. If the owner looses his interest they disappear as fast as they came, remember Homburg or others in former times. At least I am happy that it is a German owner and not a Russian or Ghaddafi or a Sheik.


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2008 at 21:44
at first i also had a negatvie attitude towards this club, i mean Hoffenheim sponsored by Dietmar Hopp of SAP fame. but i've watched a lot of stuff about this guy and it's not quite comparable to Chelsea & Schalke. that dude doesn't just use his money to buy some established players, he uses his money for scouting young talents and supporting them. he invests a lot of money in youth programs and all Hoffenheim players are youngsters (youngest team of the BL) as well no-names. so he uses his money wiesly and puts it into the youth. thats the way to go.

also, Stuttgart lost to Cologne at home. not so good. but two victories in a row will elevate Stuttgart again to a top position and the next two clubs are rather easy to beat, but then, you should also expect to beat Cologne at home...


Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 18:04
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

at first i also had a negatvie attitude towards this club, i mean Hoffenheim sponsored by Dietmar Hopp of SAP fame. but i've watched a lot of stuff about this guy and it's not quite comparable to Chelsea & Schalke. that dude doesn't just use his money to buy some established players, he uses his money for scouting young talents and supporting them. he invests a lot of money in youth programs and all Hoffenheim players are youngsters (youngest team of the BL) as well no-names. so he uses his money wiesly and puts it into the youth. thats the way to go.

also, Stuttgart lost to Cologne at home. not so good. but two victories in a row will elevate Stuttgart again to a top position and the next two clubs are rather easy to beat, but then, you should also expect to beat Cologne at home...
 
I have just read exactly the same about Hopp in polish newspaper. They say he is uncomparable to Abramowich. He run his club since 1990 and invested about 150 mio, Abromowich probably paid more for new players in his first year. I will keep my fingers crossed for Hoffenheim. And besides better them to win than Bayern.
 


Posted By: es_bih
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 18:16
2008 First Phase - Group F
  Overall Home Away  
  http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=gamesPlayed&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GP http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=wins&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - W http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=ties&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - D http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=losses&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - L http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=pointsFor&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GS http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=pointsAgainst&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GA http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=homeWins&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - W http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=homeTies&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - D http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=homeLosses&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - L http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=homePointsFor&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GS http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=homePointsAgainst&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GA http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=awayWins&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - W http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=awayTies&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - D http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=awayLosses&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - L http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=awayPointsFor&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GS http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=awayPointsAgainst&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GA http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=pointDifferential&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - GD http://soccernet.espn.go.com/tables?league=uefa.champions&season=2008&column=points&order=false&seasonType=4&cc=5901 - P
1 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=132&cc=5901 - Bayern Munich 3 2 1 0 5 1 1 1 0 4 1 1 0 0 1 0 4 7
2 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=167&cc=5901 - Lyon 3 1 2 0 8 6 0 1 0 2 2 1 1 0 6 4 2 5
3 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=109&cc=5901 - Fiorentina 3 0 2 1 2 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 5 -3 2
4 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=484&cc=5901 - Steaua Bucuresti 3 0 1 2 3 6 0 0 2 3 6 0 1 0 0 0 -3 1

2008/2009 German Bundesliga
CLUB GP W L D PTS GD
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=7911&cc=5901 - TSG Hoffenheim 118212515
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=131&cc=5901 - Bayer Leverkusen 118302415
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=132&cc=5901 - Bayern Munich 11623218
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=133&cc=5901 - Schalke 04 11515209
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team?id=127&cc=5901 - Hamburg SV 1163220-1


Bayern 1st in Champions League and top 4 in the Bundesliga. Now all that needs to happen is Obama to win for this to be a rather good day. Smile

I believe we can pull together and get back to 1st place and get another Bundesliga trophy.




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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2008 at 06:46
This friday , the top game of the season was played.
 
The second Bayern München, recieved the head of the table. Hoffenheim.
 
With a last minute goal by Luca Toni München defeated Hoffenheim by 2:1.
Both teams are equal now, but Hoffenheim is still leading, for the neumber of their scored goals.
 
 
 
GD PTS
1 Hoffenheim 19 34 Gleich
2 FC Bayern 15 34 Gleich
3 Bayer 04 15 31 Auf
4 Hertha BSC 3 30 Ab
5 HSV 0 27 Gleich
6 Schalke 04 8 26 Auf
7 Dortmund 7 26 Ab
8 Stuttgart 3 24 Auf
9 Werder 10 23 Ab
10 Wolfsburg 10 23 Ab
11 Eintracht -5 19 Auf
12 1. FC Köln -6 19 Ab
13 Hannover -11 16 Gleich
14 Arminia -12 13 Gleich
15 Karlsruhe -13 13 Auf
16 FC Energie -17 12 Ab
17 Bochum -10 11 Ab
18 M'gladbach -16 11 Ab


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2008 at 20:01
yeah and Stuttgart is back in the upper half, but missing ten points on the leading team Dead. with both Freiburg and Karlsruhe winning, my dream of 4 teams from Baden-Württemberg in the Bundesliga draws closer again.


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2009 at 18:04
Tomorrow the Bundesliga will start the second half of season and King kang is still missed.
Tem is a fan of Stuttgart, what isn't much better then King's disapperance.
So be it. let the teams play, as long as they do have enough money.
 


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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2009 at 19:18
What interesting season. Bayern who was almost sure favourite is not doing so well as expected. Hertha is ahead and 4 points behind Bayern, Hoffenheim, VFL and HSV. Who would have thought that Bayern having Toni, Ribery, Podolski, Klose, Ze Roberto will struggle for the second spot after 23 matches. Is it a coach or do they have similar problem like Real when it became too Galactic. Still I think Bayern should win it though I would prefer HSV from the top 5 teams.


Posted By: es_bih
Date Posted: 10-Mar-2009 at 23:18
I am hoping that Bayern wins.

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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 16:54
it's now highly unlikely Bayern is going to win this season, i'm not sure yet who will make it. as for DFB Cup i assume Bremen will make it.


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 25-May-2009 at 13:41
And the winner is....
for the first time
 
VfL Wolfsburg.
 
A big surprise, after being on the 9th place after the first round.
 
1 Wolfsburg 39 69 Gleich
2 FC Bayern 29 67 Gleich
3 Stuttgart 20 64 Gleich
4 Hertha BSC 7 63 Gleich
5 HSV 2 61 Auf
6 Dortmund 23 59 Ab
7 Hoffenheim 14 55 Gleich
8 Schalke 04 12 50 Gleich
9 Bayer 04 13 49 Gleich
10 Werder 14 45 Gleich
11 Hannover -20 40 Gleich
12 1. FC Köln -15 39 Gleich
13 Eintracht -21 33 Gleich
14 Bochum -16 32 Gleich
15 M'gladbach -23 31 Gleich
16 FC Energie -27 30 Auf
17 Karlsruhe -24 29 Auf
18 Arminia -27 28 Ab


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Posted By: es_bih
Date Posted: 25-May-2009 at 13:53
Amazing, and good for them. 

We will be back in full swing next year to top the table for the millionth time :)


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Posted By: Rubedo
Date Posted: 27-May-2009 at 03:19
Good for Wolfsburg. I hope that they won't fall apart, since it should be interesting to watch their trio of Misimović, Džeko, and Grafite, next year in CL, playing against the best European defences.

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Posted By: es_bih
Date Posted: 27-May-2009 at 04:05
Dzeko is actually doing very well in the BiH national team, too. Something I am more happy about, :), than the Wolfsburg success. Them making it to the World Cup could make up for Bayern's failures easily.

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Posted By: Basmachi
Date Posted: 27-May-2009 at 05:41
It's really amazing...

Congratulations to Wolfsburg...


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 31-May-2009 at 19:05
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten ulrich von hutten wrote:

And the winner is....
for the first time
 
VfL Wolfsburg.
 
A big surprise, after being on the 9th place after the first round.
 
1 Wolfsburg 39 69 Gleich
2 FC Bayern 29 67 Gleich
3 Stuttgart 20 64 Gleich
4 Hertha BSC 7 63 Gleich
5 HSV 2 61 Auf
6 Dortmund 23 59 Ab
7 Hoffenheim 14 55 Gleich
8 Schalke 04 12 50 Gleich
9 Bayer 04 13 49 Gleich
10 Werder 14 45 Gleich
11 Hannover -20 40 Gleich
12 1. FC Köln -15 39 Gleich
13 Eintracht -21 33 Gleich
14 Bochum -16 32 Gleich
15 M'gladbach -23 31 Gleich
16 FC Energie -27 30 Auf
17 Karlsruhe -24 29 Auf
18 Arminia -27 28 Ab


not so big surprise, moeny does shoot goals afterall. Stuttgart after first round was 10th and ended 3rd. too bad Dortmund narrowly missed the UEFA Cup or European League or whatever they call it next.


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 31-May-2009 at 19:07
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by King Kang of Mu King Kang of Mu wrote:

 
I still need to look up more info but my gut feeling says right now;
 
1. Bayern Munich
2. Schalke 04
3. Stuttgart
4. Werder Bremen
5. Hamburg
6. Dortmund
7. Leverkusen
8. Bochum
9. Hertha Berlin
 
Good to see FC Köln back in the top league. 
Go over more in details as the season goes on but here is little Dortmund preview for Ulrich. 


if i were you i wouldn't publish that list though, i don't even know where to start my critics. bayern might but maybe not win again this season but this season is less likely than last one. but Schalke on 2nd? Confused i don't know what Bremen did to you to be on 4th spot but they are definatley ahead of Schalke and on Bayerns tail big time. Stuttgart on 3rd Smile well we'll see, they had a strong start which is uncommon, but it will be good if it remains like that, i think after the last season the position of our coach is maybe not very secure even if there was no critics but you'll never know in football and his position was never secure in the first place. the rest of the clubs on your list are not even worth a single comment. you've forgotten two clubs big time: Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim. yeah they are "new" names sort of but those two clubs, particularly Hoffenheim have the bayern factor, that is a uber-rich sponsor big time. Wolfsburg has a good coach that doesn't need much itnro and their cadre was well last year and with Volkswagen as sponsor they want to attack the UEFA Cup with flying colours. and Hoffenheim, they play their first ever season in the Bundesliga, just like they emerged from obscurity and had a sudden rise thanks to money money money from a generous sponsor. their story of sucess would be worth a movie but no it isn't, money don't shoot goals as they say but money gets you good players, and those shoot the goals, so yes, money does dominate the bUndesliga big time. this is also my big grudge this season and certainly i won't watch it as excited as i would otherwise. Hoffenheim, my new pet hate after Bayern will most likely establsih themselves in the Bundesliga just like Bayern did (remember it was money again, Munichs traditional major club is 1860 München, as the name suggests a club with tradition). Ok my rant is finished :P


looking back at the beginning of the season, yeah you can call me The Prophet if you like... almost everything i predicted happened.



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