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Topic: How have been called your national ancestors?
Posted By: Menumorut
Subject: How have been called your national ancestors?
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 18:23


Me, as a Romanian (Romanians are one of the most mixed peoples of Europe) I'm proud to think I have the blood of so many peoples who in historical times have been called:


Dacians
Thracians
Scythians
Illyrians
Celts
Sarmatians
Goths
Gepids
Slavs
Pechenegs
Cumans
Tatars
etc


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Posted By: kafkas
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 20:55
To have been able to survive as a people through so many periods of foreign domination and mixing says something about the quality of Romanian culture.

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Posted By: Theodore Felix
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 20:59
Besides the first, who probably lived in continuum, the rest lived either in small numbers(such as the Sarmatians, or perhaps more appropriate, the Alans), never dominated too much culturally, or marked their stay by a short occupation that did not do much culturally. All these exempting the Goths, who moved out eventually. The original Daco-Thracian culture probably remained prodominant.

As an Albanian, particularly from southern Albania:

- Illyrians
- Epirots
- Colonial Greek
- Roman
- Serbo-Croat (strong presence in Epirus during the Middle Ages)
- Vlach


Posted By: Chookie
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 21:00
For myself, a Highland Scot, the mixture would be something like:-

Pict
Scot
Irish
Norse
Roman
French
Spanish
English (God forbid)
Whatever else was available..........

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Posted By: pinguin
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 21:13
Locals:
Mapuche, Aymaras, Quechuas, Coyas, Diaguitas, Pichunches.
 
Europeans:
Iberians,
Celts,
Phoenicians,
Greeks,
Jews,
Romans,
Germans,
Arabs,
Moors,
Gauls,
Spaniards,
French,
Italians
 
 


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Posted By: Menumorut
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 21:17
Originally posted by kafkas kafkas wrote:

To have been able to survive as a people through so many periods of foreign domination and mixing says something about the quality of Romanian culture.


There is very few cultural continuity between the ancient period and the medieval one, actualy the medieval Romanian culture is among the most retarded in Europe, the first states appeared only in 15th century and up to 13th century there is little, almost nothing known about what happened on this territory.



Originally posted by Theodore Felix Theodore Felix wrote:

Besides the first, who probably lived in continuum, the rest lived either in small numbers(such as the Sarmatians, or perhaps more appropriate, the Alans), never dominated too much culturally, or marked their stay by a short occupation that did not do much culturally. All these exempting the Goths, who moved out eventually. The original Daco-Thracian culture probably remained prodominant.


What you say is true with the exception of Slavs. I think Romanians are rather Slavs than Dacians. The amount of Daco-Roman population was very reduced at the coming of Slavs (5-7th centuries) but they managed to absorb the Slavs (linguisticaly) due to the stepped coming and setling of them.



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Posted By: Roberts
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 21:21
Latvian peasants (further in past divides in many Baltic tribes) as far as I know. Baltic is comparatively isolated place so no great mixing or population movements in the past.


Posted By: Chilbudios
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 21:30
Originally posted by Menumorut Menumorut wrote:

There is very few cultural continuity between the ancient period and the medieval one, actualy the medieval Romanian culture is among the most retarded in Europe, the first states appeared only in 15th century and up to 13th century there is little, almost nothing known about what happened on this territory.
If you mean high, elaborate, literate culture yes, I'd agree, if you just mean culture you're wrong. If there wouldn't be a culture, there wouldn't be archaeology because people wouldn't leave behind anything but their bones.
 
Quote What you say is true with the exception of Slavs. I think Romanians are rather Slavs than Dacians. The amount of Daco-Roman population was very reduced at the coming of Slavs (5-7th centuries) but they managed to absorb the Slavs (linguisticaly) due to the stepped coming and setling of them.
So how come then the closest genetical patterns to the Romanian ones are in Balkans and not in Poland or Russia? How come a handful of people having a "retarded culture" could assimilate the numerous others (will you reply they were even more retarded? Big%20smile)?
 


Posted By: Efraz
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 21:48
People of Turkey are one of the most mixed too. We grill the kebab like Mesopotamians and steam the fish like Greeks. We both drink Raki and Shalgam.

As a citizen of Istanbul and son of western Anatolia. I eat&drink

Tandir Kebap (Hittites)
Lakerda (Greeks)
Okuzgozu wine (Commageneans)
Pilav (Persians)
Ayran (Oghuz Turks)
Kahve (Ottomans)

These are merely a few examples .)


Posted By: Theodore Felix
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 22:20
Quote There is very few cultural continuity between the ancient period and the medieval one, actualy the medieval Romanian culture is among the most retarded in Europe


The people are the culture, not the state. Various geo-political reasons could be there to hinder enough centralization and organization so as to create a state, nevertheless, the people keep the continuity.


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 00:12
Influencing peoples and cultures:

Sumerian related Kermanshah culture
Hurrian
Kassite
Mitani
Elamite
Kurdish
Medean
Persian
Greek
Parthian
Arab
Turk Oghuz
Mongolian (actually they gave nothing of any value)
Turkmen


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Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 08:11

Pure desert Arab with no foreign influence except a sli possibility of African blood.

Al-Jassas



Posted By: Julius Augustus
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 08:15
I am a mix breed,

Mazandaran
Turk
Giliki
Filipino
Malayan
Italian
Parthian


Posted By: Sparten
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 08:25
Pakistani.
Mostly Afghan.
 


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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 08:28
English, Germans, Bavarians, Spaniards, Valencians - that does it as far as I know. Of course I could go on about Romans, Danes, Boii etc but that's going a LONG way back.

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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 09:51
As with all periferous or otherwise and uninhabital places no one wants to migrate to (deserts, arctic regions) only one group, in this case Scandinavian. Only believable possible mix being mix of Sami.


Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 10:38
Turkmen, Kypchak & Georgian (probably a whole more...)

Zargos whats the difference between oghuz & Turkmen last time I checked they where the same

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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 11:55
Different waves - one (smaller) with Seljuq, then the big wave with Timur which actually started the Turkification of NW Iran.

I missed one from my list: Assyrian.


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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 12-May-2008 at 12:48
Hmm the Timurids where of the eastern brancj of the Turks so thats different from the oghuz/Turkmen

People from and around Asia minor or mesopotamia can't rule out any ethnic group from or who came in contact with that area TBH

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Posted By: flaja
Date Posted: 21-May-2008 at 02:04

If the research that others have done is correct and I have correctly identified one of my great-grandfathers (same first name, last name and middle initial, born in the same place at the same time, but with a wife who is not my great-grandmother) then my ancestry includes:

 

Briton (including Bodica of the Iceni)

English/Saxon

Scots

Irish

French/Frank

Swiss

Norman

Danish

Norwegian

Rhenish

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)

 

By way of John of Gaunt and legend my ancestry includes Edward III, Henry II, William the Conqueror, Alfred the Great, Egbert, Macbeth, Duncan, Robert the Bruce, Kenneth Macalpin, Charlemagne, Justinian, Marc Antony, Constantine, Wencelas, St. Louis, Joseph of Arimathea, Priam of Troy, King David, King Solomon, St. Stephen (the martyred deacon) and St. James (which one is disputed).

 

I may also be a cousin of some sort to George Washington.  One of my ancestors was a Matilda Washington who was married to a James Lawrence who went on crusade with Richard the Lionhearted.  Other researchers claim a Washington/Lawrence connection to George Washington, but I’ve never seen any documentation for what the direct link is.

 

One of my grandfathers also claimed that his mother was a Cherokee Indian from North Carolina.  One of his ancestors did act as something of an agent for some Cherokee Indians in what is now Oklahoma following the Civil War.



Posted By: Roberts
Date Posted: 21-May-2008 at 06:07
Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?


Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 21-May-2008 at 07:16
Persian
Sakai
Median
Parthian
Turkish
Greek
Macedonian
Mongol
A Russian ancestor from old Russian tsardom who came from around kharkiv.
Russian
Ukranian
Tatar
Indo-european


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Posted By: flaja
Date Posted: 21-May-2008 at 11:18
Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
 

My ancestry includes the Eller family of western North Carolina.  Most of what I find on the net says the first Eller came from the Rhineland, but a few sources say Koenigsburg, East Prussia.



Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 23-May-2008 at 19:43
I do not know how my ancestors where called. Because i do not know who were my ancestors (always biologically speaking).The oldest relative i know is my grand grand mother, who was Russian.

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Posted By: beorna
Date Posted: 23-May-2008 at 22:57
Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
 

My ancestry includes the Eller family of western North Carolina.  Most of what I find on the net says the first Eller came from the Rhineland, but a few sources say Koenigsburg, East Prussia.

Königsburg or Königsberg? Königsberg is East Prussia. There is a Königsburg near Krefeld, which is Rhineland. The Rhineprovince belonged to Prussia since 1815, but was established as province in 1822. Kleve e.g. became Prussian already in 1609/14. 1702 became Krefeld Prussian. In 1683 13 families from Krefeld emigrated on the ship "Concord" to Germantown, Pennsylvania. So perhaps your Königsburg isn't the East Prussian Königsberg.


Posted By: flaja
Date Posted: 23-May-2008 at 23:45
Originally posted by beorna beorna wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
 

My ancestry includes the Eller family of western North Carolina.  Most of what I find on the net says the first Eller came from the Rhineland, but a few sources say Koenigsburg, East Prussia.

Königsburg or Königsberg? Königsberg is East Prussia. There is a Königsburg near Krefeld, which is Rhineland. The Rhineprovince belonged to Prussia since 1815, but was established as province in 1822. Kleve e.g. became Prussian already in 1609/14. 1702 became Krefeld Prussian. In 1683 13 families from Krefeld emigrated on the ship "Concord" to Germantown, Pennsylvania. So perhaps your Königsburg isn't the East Prussian Königsberg.
 

Some of what the Eller family has put on the net say East Prussia while others just say the Rhineland.  But at any rate, the first Eller from Europe to come to America that is my ancestor came here before the American Revolution.  A lot of my Rhenish ancestors came through Pennsylvania (one bought land in Valley Forge from the sons of William Penn in the 1730s) only to drift into North Carolina in the mid-late 18th century, but (if I remember right) the first Eller came directly to North Carolina.



Posted By: Odin
Date Posted: 05-Jun-2008 at 04:53
Norse
Norwegians
Lapps/Saami
Saxons
Frisians
Cimbri
Platt-Deutchen ("Low Germans")


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Posted By: Justinian
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2008 at 07:41
In random order:
Norwegian
Swedish
English
Welsh
Scottish
Irish
German
French
Dutch
and possibly native american.  My family history is not well documented either, so who knows who else could be an ancestor.


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2008 at 15:35
that's hard;
hellenic
lelege(laconia)/dryope (argos)/pelsg(arcadia)? who knows..
Mycenian Greek
definatly Helot (from above) - Spartan - laconian
Doric - mainly - the acheans can kiss my arse
..with a known dash of maniotisViking
other
1/8 Italian (lombard and anything else northern) 
maybe Albanian - becuase they did came down to the Morea,  like it or notWink
dito the turks
maybe *other* anadolian
Slavic somewhere for sure,
I dare say celtic/illyrian (red hair-freckles are known family traits) within those medevial  slavic speaking migrations from modern yugoslavia.

dads side (apart from that italian officer *cough*Ermm) is very isolated karpathian (doric greek > minoin)



Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2008 at 15:45
For me it should be

Doric Greeks from Crete and Peloponnese
Perhaps Arvanitan near Corinth
Some Laconian from Mani
Should be some slavic somewhere in the mix, my father's beard and mine tend to get reddish in summer (only a few strands of hair mixed with black).
Maybe some Saracen and Venetian from Crete
One Russian ancestor. My great-grandmother used to tell a family tale of a Russian "princess" (most likely some rich merchants daughter) that came to Crete during some Russian revolution (not the communist one) and married my great-great-something-grandfather. The story could have some truth since the family name 'Rouselakis' derives from 'Rousos', Russian in Cretan.




Posted By: Slayertplsko
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2008 at 15:47
Slavs, Saxons, Magyars, Avars, Huns, Indo-Aryans, Celts...it could have been anyoneBig%20smile


Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2008 at 18:47

Kurgans, Indo-Iranians, Tocharians, Scythians, Ephtalite Huns, Khalaj/Ghaljai (Turkic-Pashtun), Jaghuri (Turkic from mothers side), Pashtun (Durrani).



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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2008 at 20:46
Well, this is interresting...

From my mothers side, it is all from Scandinavia which surely includes a lot of sami as well.

From my grandfathers side it is a mystery. If we look back in ancient times then it is from the upper macedonians like the Orestai and Elimians. Can't leave outside the Cretan bottians as well who settled in the area. If we look in medieval years in the same area, then I know for sure there's Epirotan mix (the family names are evident + recorded epirotan migrations) and definetely Vlach because of the Vlach villages around and my surname which is a vlach nickname.

From my grandmothers side who comes from the borders of Phrygia and Aeolia I can claim Phrygian, Luwian, Aeolian, Ionian, Turkish, Armenian, Assyrian. Her village had Greek families but there were also 3 Assyrian and 1 Armenian family as well, so who knows.


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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2008 at 20:54
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:


dads side (apart from that italian officer *cough*Ermm) is very isolated karpathian (doric greek > minoin)


Karpathians are like an own nation until today...They speak Doric, the live in their own little world and they have their own culture.


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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2008 at 22:21
Dutch. As far as we know, all the way back to Napoleon, they all came from central wetsren Netherlands. Which is not a big area at all. No exiting exotic ancestry for me.

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Posted By: Carpathian Wolf
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2008 at 22:50
Originally posted by Menumorut Menumorut wrote:



Me, as a Romanian (Romanians are one of the most mixed peoples of Europe) I'm proud to think I have the blood of so many peoples who in historical times have been called:


Dacians
Thracians
Scythians
Illyrians
Celts
Sarmatians
Goths
Gepids
Slavs
Pechenegs
Cumans
Tatars
etc
 
Well all Dacians are Thracians, but not all Thracians are Dacians. The Dacians are like an elite branch of the Thracians. I've heard Scythians were considered "Thrachic" by Herdotus or Strabo (always get those two confused) but in any case they were only mostly in the Moldova region and maybe Dobrogea.
 
The Illyrians like-wise were a branch of Thracian or related to the Thracians though I could be wrong.
 
Celts were only in the north western area mostly of Romania and were kicked out by the Dacians fairly early on. They didn't get a long and there might be a some bit of light mingling.
Sarmatians...similar story as the Scythians.
 
Goths? I'm not really sure of their origin to be honest. The popular theory is that they are Germanic yet what germanic holdings did the goths ever have? They had balkan and hispania holdings, nothing in Germany as far as I saw. Their rulers claimed lineage to Decebalus and though I won't go as far as to say Goths were Dacians (Getai) not everything is known about them.
 
Gepids? Ruling class. Didn't mix with the people.
 
Slavs? Definate mixture but to say we're more Slavic the Dacian doesn't add up. I'd say the slavs around us have Dacian/Thracian in them more so then we have slavic influence on us. Take for example our folk clothing, in the Balkans it is all fairly similar. At first I thought that it had to be a slavic influence, but if you look at the Russian, Poles etc, their folk culture is different. So the similarity in culture is definetly something else and something in common that was wide spread in the area. But I won't be like some and deny we have no slavic in us.
 
Pechengs? Hardly. Again ruling class migratory nation. Same with Cumans.
 
Tatars? Nope. I mean maybe someone married some Tatars in Moldova or Dobrogea.
 
Again maybe this is your personal family lineage but if you were refering to Romanians i had to put my 2 cents in.
 
Interestingly enough...no Romans on the list? I mean heck we kept the original latin grammar and even the name, they don't even get an honorary mention? :p
 
We had some fellows from Legio V Macedonia settle in Dacia and Legio XIII Gemeni as well. So some Greek and Gaul could also be present. Maybe even Syrian though they'd be hellenized at the time.
 
 
One thing you have to understand however is that migratians don't happen in massive walls of people. It is a gradual process. And because of the terrain in Dacia the people and culture were maintained. Perhaps the communists liked to repeat it a few too many times but that is no reason to deny the truth or to call the culture "retarded". And to prove i'm not some crazy nationalist ;) I'd also add Hungarian and Bulgarian on that list though the terms of influence are similar to what I have stated between us and the slavs on many levels.
 
 
As for myself, Dacian (Thracian), Roman and I have a bit of Greek on my grandmother's side. I think the Macedonia region, Salonika etc. Much of the family is from Oltenia and Muntenia.


Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2008 at 23:28
As a spanish from Canary Islands is nearly impossible to know my ancestors before 400 years of something, only is sure that all they was canarian from around 150-200 years.
 
But i can suppose until certain point what they were:
 
1. All they were from mountainous regions of the island so it's possible an indigenous precedent, they were called "canarians" in spanish, berbers according with certain cultural marks originally from southern Morocco and eastern Algeria.
2. It's not impossible a black ancestor, part of my family is from a region where many blacks lived (sugar plantations) and they have lightly black feautres; if this is true, they were from western África from Senegal to Liberia from were these islands imported slaves, but is impossible to know exactly wich people, generally talking, fulbe.
3. According with the surnames of my family, all the iberian ancestors should be from western Iberia: Viera is from Galicia and North Portugal, but they come to Canary Islands from Madeira or Andalusia, Bosa were from Central Portugal, from there jumped too to Madeira, and Suárez from Asturias but came to the islans from Andalusia; so is possible i have ancestors lusitans and celtic, if they mixed with people from southern Iberia, iberian too.
4. One of my grandfather had the surname "Alemán" (German) a surname applied to people from Low Countries (specially Flandre) who came here in XV and XVI century, so there we have germanics, probably franks.
 
So resuming, with certain accuracy:
 
Berber-Canarians
Bantu-Fulbe
Celtic-  Asturians-Galician-Portuguese-Castillian
Lusitanian-Portuguese
Iberian-  Andalusian-Castillian
Franks-Flemish
 
Present day: Canarian-Spanish


Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 09-Jul-2008 at 23:07
From father's side
Germanic-85%
Celtic
Native American

Mother's side
Greek
and whatever comes with that:
???????
pre-Greek- maybe
Greek
Thracian
Macedonian Greek
Roman
Byzantine
Anatolia-?????
Germanic-?
Celtic-?
Slavic
Italian-?? Venice- Genoa
maybe Turkic- who knows

I have a Greek olive complexion but I look very Nordic; since I am 99% Nordic from my father's side.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 10-Jul-2008 at 08:31
The primordial soup.....and what what has arised from it.

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Posted By: Ioan-Assen II
Date Posted: 14-Jul-2008 at 09:35
Modern Bulgarians are very mixed, but we think 3 main groups contributed to the formation of our nation:
Slavs (mainly, we have slavic language, we know lots of Slavs came to the Bolkans, king Boris choose the slavic language as official in 893 year, when he gave the crown to his son Simeon)
Bulgars or Protobulgarians (they were responsible for the creation of the state, but I personally do not think they were that numerous, our nation name come from them, their origin is very disputable, there are 3 teories for their ethnic composition: Iranian, Turkic and Ugro-Finnic, non is proven undoubtedly yet)
Thracians (that contribution is very disputable, we do not know how big their contribution was, but recent genetic researches have proven their genetic contribution was indeed very big, our grammer (unlike the other slavic languages, including Serbo-Croat) is similar to the Romanian, Greek, Albanian and many linguist think its due to the Thracian linguistic influence, also lots of preslavic toponims are left, lots of Thracian traditians too) 
 
Other people who have contributed to our nation:
Greeks
Cumans
Avars
Roman colonists
Goths
Turks
Armenians
Franks
and other who have migrated in Bulgaria.


Posted By: Unamuno
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 18:15
I am also mixed:
 
50% basque, probably called Autrigons (maybe Caristians) by Strabo; later called "Vizcainos" (this means people from Biscay, but it was used for extension for all Basques), and actually Basque.
 
50% from South of Spain (Tarifa, near Cadiz), have a longer interesting History:
Maybe Tartessos
Maybe Greek or Phoenitian
Romans from Baetica.
Vandals passed trough as well
Visigothics
Castillian
Spanish
 
I guess for the 100% I should have started by "Homo erectus", but I don't think they were called like that at those times...WinkLOL


Posted By: Władysław Warnencz
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 19:11

I've got both polish and bulgarian ancestors,so i guess i'm mainly slavic with some pure bulgar blood too (explains my black as tar hair - bulgar side,but very white skin - polish side).



Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 03:52
Gosh, I'm Greek so who knows:
--Ancient Greek (Achaean and then Doric ?)
--Slav
--Arvanite/Albanian (my dad's side of the family hails from Korinthia, an area with heavy Arvanite settlement)
--Turkish


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Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 03:54
Oh, I forgot, Persian/Mede as well. 

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Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 03:55
I'm glad to se that most Forumers are not tripping about the "purity" of their descent. Perhaps there is hope, after allSmile

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Posted By: es_bih
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 04:10
Konstantinius you're back Star haven't seen you here in a long time 

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Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 12:23
Yeah, been busy. Thanks, though. I'l be visiting as much as I can. 

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Posted By: cahaya
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2009 at 12:29
 
-Melayu
-Pattani
-Chinese


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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 07:42
Greek
Chinese
Hyperborian
Carthanginian
Arian
Eskimo
Australian Aborigini
Nolder
Namibian
Easter Islander
and Mu Mu land
 


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Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 11:21
Quote Hyperborian
What about Atlantis?


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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 23:40
Nuh, they kept away from there, full of Turks.

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Posted By: Jallaludin Akbar
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2009 at 23:53
Ehh, im not as mixed as everyone else here,

my ancestors are Rajput Kshatriyas of the Khatri clan.

The British used them as troops in colonizing Africa, where some of my ancestors settled. There, they mixed with natives so I have a little Zanzibarian and Tanzanian.


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Posted By: MarcoPolo
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 01:54
Pakistan:
 
British
Persian
Indus Valley Civilization(native)
Aryan tribes
Huns
Greek(Alexander the Great)
Scythian
Pashtun/Afghan
Turks(many...)
Tibetan
Bactrian
Tajik
Arab(many)
African
indian
Jewish
 
Wow, just realized thats a very broad and eclactic group that have contributed to Pakistan's gene pool!
 
 
 


Posted By: Jallaludin Akbar
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 03:18
Originally posted by MarcoPolo MarcoPolo wrote:

Pakistan:
 
British
Persian
Indus Valley Civilization(native)
Aryan tribes
Huns
Greek(Alexander the Great)
Scythian
Pashtun/Afghan
Turks(many...)
Tibetan
Bactrian
Tajik
Arab(many)
African
indian
Jewish
 
Wow, just realized thats a very broad and eclactic group that have contributed to Pakistan's gene pool!
 


I believe its the Indus River Valley?


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Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 03:49
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi Beylerbeyi wrote:

Quote Hyperborian
What about Atlantis?
 
And if we take it half a step further, through Lemuria, we're back to actual historical places... kind of. From Howard to near-reality in three steps -- never thought it could be done. LOL Seriously though, Bey and Paul, these references put a smile on my face at the end of the day, for which you both have my thanks; I needed it. Smile
 
-Akolouthos


Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 03:52
If we are going by that universe, than I have Afguli, probably a little Hyrkanian and possibly Zenobian.  LOL

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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 18:44
Originally posted by Akolouthos Akolouthos wrote:

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi Beylerbeyi wrote:

Quote Hyperborian
What about Atlantis?
 
And if we take it half a step further, through Lemuria, we're back to actual historical places... kind of. From Howard to near-reality in three steps -- never thought it could be done. LOL Seriously though, Bey and Paul, these references put a smile on my face at the end of the day, for which you both have my thanks; I needed it. Smile
 
-Akolouthos
 
Thanks,
 
I just wanted to add some realism to the post.


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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 18:55
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

Greek
Chinese

Hyperborian

Carthanginian

Arian

Eskimo

Australian Aborigini

Nolder

Namibian

Easter Islander

and Mu Mu land

 




What about Mexican or peruvian???

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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 20:15
I will only say that Dan Brown "Da Vinci's code" is based on my familly historyCool.


Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 21:44
I am 1/4 from Crete,1/4 Kurdish,1/4 Arabian,1/4 Caucasian. Unfortunately,I know none of my ancestory's languages. But I can say that I live a little bit Arabian,since I am with the Arabian part of my family.


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Posted By: MarcoPolo
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2009 at 21:44
Originally posted by Jallaludin Akbar Jallaludin Akbar wrote:

Originally posted by MarcoPolo MarcoPolo wrote:

Pakistan:
 
British
Persian
Indus Valley Civilization(native)
Aryan tribes
Huns
Greek(Alexander the Great)
Scythian
Pashtun/Afghan
Turks(many...)
Tibetan
Bactrian
Tajik
Arab(many)
African
indian
Jewish
 
Wow, just realized thats a very broad and eclactic group that have contributed to Pakistan's gene pool!
 


I believe its the Indus River Valley?
 
Its been called both, in Pakistan and most other countries, the archeological societies often uses the term: Indus Valley Civilization  (IVC for short) to refer to this ancient civilization located along the Pakistan's Indus river.   Indus River Valley is also used, but is less common. Smile


Posted By: Hungo
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2009 at 10:12
Hun-Scythian-Magyar-Kun (Kun-Cumanian)

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Posted By: mygger
Date Posted: 13-May-2009 at 10:40
Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Latvian peasants (further in past divides in many Baltic tribes) as far as I know. Baltic is comparatively isolated place so no great mixing or population movements in the past.

What about fenno-ugrian roots of Latvian population?


Posted By: Roberts
Date Posted: 15-May-2009 at 15:33
Originally posted by mygger mygger wrote:

Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Latvian peasants (further in past divides in many Baltic tribes) as far as I know. Baltic is comparatively isolated place so no great mixing or population movements in the past.

What about fenno-ugrian roots of Latvian population?

One of tribes which made Latvian population were Livonians - they are finno-ugrian. The rest were Baltic (indo -European) - Selonians, Latgallians, Semgallians, Curonians.


Posted By: Emil_Diniyev
Date Posted: 16-May-2009 at 11:51
I didn't really get the it.

But we Azeris have been called Mountain Turkmens and Caucasian/Mountain Tatars before.

Georgians still call us Tatarebi and when Russians first conqured Caucasus, they called us Caucasian Tatars. Azeri term occured only after 1918.


Posted By: Jams
Date Posted: 16-May-2009 at 14:12
My ancestors were called Danes. We're still called Danes. However, in Danish we're called Danskere, while the ancients were called Daner.
Of course, some may have been Jutes or Angles or whatnot, but that's impossible to say.


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