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Topic: Iran's Defence industry
Posted By: Hellios
Subject: Iran's Defence industry
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 11:41
Some info about Iran's defence industry & a chance to discuss it.
 
Examples of what Iran produces...
 
Saegheh (1 seat 2 fins) & Azarakhsh (2 seats 1 fin):
 
Azarakhsh:
 
Shafaq:
 
Iran-140:
 
Panha:
 
 
 
Mohajer UAV:
 
T-72 based MBT:
 
T-72 based MBT:
 
T-72 based MBT:
 
Raad-2:
 
BH7:
 
 
Assault craft:
 
Stealth craft:
Source: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200604/07/eng20060407_256727.html - http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200604/07/eng20060407_256727.html
 
Hoot torpedo:
 
Kowsar SSM:
 
Shahab-3:
 
Misagh-2 SAM:
 
Fajr rapid-fire cannon:
 
Ghadir submarine:
 
 



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 12:18
Nice one, here's my contribution.

Ababil UAV:

 

Ababil B:

 
Mohajer UAV:
 

Various UAV:


Anti-Armour:
 




Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 17:24
Nice I didn't know that Iran make submarine.Approve

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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 19:00
it is just a toy if you compare it even with U-47 WWII  german submarines anyway.Wink
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_VII_U-boat - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_VII_U-boat


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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 19:37
It is perfect for the Persian Gulf - to attack non-military enemy shipping, to spy and also for delivering and retrieving commandos.



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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 20:08
Iran has 3 (  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilo_class_submarine - Kilo class) submarines. Do you know how many more submarine Iran has ? 
 
Compare our submarine with Russian's and American's submarinesConfused. I am happy at least we start this Industry Clap, but it seems a long way to reach to that point that Russians and Americans are right now.
 
You judge yourself.
 
Typhoon Class Russian made submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine
 
Ohio Class American made submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_class_submarine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_class_submarine
 
Virginia Class American made submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_class_submarine - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_class_submarine
 
Ghadir Class Iranian made submarice
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ghadir+submarine&btnG=Search+Images - http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Ghadir+submarine&btnG=Search+Images
 
Ouch


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 20:40
Originally posted by sirius99 sirius99 wrote:

Nice I didn't know that Iran make submarine. Approve 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxUfQkx-Zrg&search=iran+military - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxUfQkx-Zrg&search=iran+military
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 20:56
Iranian Rapier SAM (on the left).
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 22:12
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Misagh-2 SAM:
 
 
These are actually mass produced by Iran.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 22:17
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Shahab-3:
 
 
So are these.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 22:27
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Stealth craft:
Source: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200604/07/eng20060407_256727.html - http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200604/07/eng20060407_256727.html  
 
Do you have any info on that stealthy craft?
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 22:28
Patrol boat.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 22:31
More BH7.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2007 at 22:41
I didn't notice (before) that this patrol boat has a rear gun also, close to the missiles.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 00:51
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

It is perfect for the Persian Gulf - to attack non-military enemy shipping, to spy and also for delivering and retrieving commandos.
 
Yes & Iran isn't looking to build a big sub, just something simple & economical for coastal & trade-lane defence.
Small & discreet subs like that are also good for supporting surface coastal defence units.
 


Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 11:15
where is Zulfiqar battle tanks.i searched for it but couldnt find any



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 15:41
Zolfiqar class MBT:
 

Boragh APC:
 
 
Khaybar assault rifle:
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 16:06
Iranian F-4 II Phantoms, I love these planes - during the Iran-Iraq war four of these babies set of from Iran flew at low altitude to the Jordanian border of Iraq and destroyed 45 Iraqi jets which the Iraqis thought were out of range. The F4s flew in under radar and were refuelled in mid air. This was the largest single destruction of grounded aircraft in the history of modern warfare from air attack. (reference Tom Cooper, Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat) - in 1987/88 a US F-14 tomcat engaged an Iranian F4 firing two sparrow missiles, the F-4 evaded the missiles and returned home since F-4 was no match for F-14 in a dog fight.

Throughout the war Iranian pilots shot down French trained Arab jets at a ratio of 5:1 ( I say Arab because countries like Egypt and others provided material and manual help tot he Iraqi effort). 

Takavara Darya'i - Marine Commandos:
 
 
Note Uzi sub machine guns.



Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 18:03
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:


Iranian F-4 II Phantoms, I love these planes - during the Iran-Iraq war four of these babies set of from Iran flew at low altitude to the Jordanian border of Iraq and destroyed 45 Iraqi jets which the Iraqis thought were out of range.
 
The F-4 Phantom has got to be one of the best designed weapons in modern history.  
 
Multi roled aircraft (n) -  See F-4 Phantom!!


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 19:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9Ai1cSvyk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk9Ai1cSvyk

Iranian Phantoms in live action... The narrator makes an incorrect statement. He states that the Iraqi blitzkrieg tatcics on the Iranian airforce failed because they either "missed or failed to explode", that is hogwash - the runways and hangars were bombed, but the hangars were reinforced and the runways were long enough to sustain the damage without effect.

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Posted By: TheGame
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 23:14
Good enough for the local powers, but at most, this force will only be able to dent the US, but it'll never defeat it.

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Posted By: kajdom
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 00:11
Interesting Photos. do you have more information about three diffrent aircrafts, Iran is preducing. technical information.Approve


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 02:48
Originally posted by TheGame TheGame wrote:

Good enough for the local powers, but at most, this force will only be able to dent the US, but it'll never defeat it.
neither side can defeat the other.


Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 03:00
Those aren't F-4 phantoms in that top picture. More like F-5B's(two seater trainers) or probably Iran's unlicensed modified version the Azarakhsh F-5E two seater which I believe they can make or mass produce. 

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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 03:04
Good thread going here Hellios - with fabulous photos as well.

The Iranian built Saeqeh, which means thunderbolt in Persian.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixh-QYeDdYw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixh-QYeDdYw



Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 07:53
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

Those aren't F-4 phantoms in that top picture. More like F-5B's(two seater trainers) or probably Iran's unlicensed modified version the Azarakhsh F-5E two seater which I believe they can make or mass produce.


My bad, you're totally right - they are F5s or Azarakhsh. The fusilage is very similar to the F-4.

There is no licencing problem with the Azarakhsh, as far as I know becuase it is based upon, but different, from the F5 (unless you have other info), I have also read that it is also has features from the Tomcat and Phantom too - I think there is problems with the Hughey chopper as far as patents go, becuase it is pretty much an exact replication.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 10:44
Originally posted by kajdom kajdom wrote:

Interesting Photos. do you have more information about three diffrent aircrafts, Iran is preducing. technical information.Approve 
 
I don't have technical info, sorry.
The Azarakhsh & Saegheh are based on the F-5 but are bigger, faster, and more capable in general.
The Shafaq is based on the F-17 Cobra but supposedly with some stealth capability.
The missile technology for these aircraft is supposedly good.
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 11:20
Hellios!
 
This (below) I am sure is the Z-3, look at the turret, it resembles the M1 a lot more and also the tracks have skirting, something missing from the Z-1 which looks like a CC of the M-48. 



Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 11:22
Also the Z-1 has six bottom rollers, the Z-3 has 7.

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Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 14:22
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

Those aren't F-4 phantoms in that top picture. More like F-5B's(two seater trainers) or probably Iran's unlicensed modified version the Azarakhsh F-5E two seater which I believe they can make or mass produce. 


My bad, you're totally right - they are F5s or Azarakhsh. The fusilage is very similar to the F-4.

There is no licencing problem with the Azarakhsh, as far as I know becuase it is based upon, but different, from the F5 (unless you have other info), I have also read that it is also has features from the Tomcat and Phantom too - I think there is problems with the Hughey chopper as far as patents go, becuase it is pretty much an exact replication.


Yes sorry licensing was a poor choice of words. The airframe its based off is a solid airframe(cheap as well which is a plus) and I'm sure the avionics have been beefed up to a somewhat modern standard. I remember reading Iran was going to purchase the Chinese super 7 aircraft as well but maybe not anymore because of development problems. How exactly are they keeping the F-14's flying? I've read analysts say Iran probably can only get 7 in the air yet a few years ago American E-3's spotted 14 flying around. I imagine they can fit the Moskit SS-N-22 Sunburn's(they probably have them though its not confirmed) on them which is the most lethal anti ship missile in the world today. Even the U.S. navy has no defense for it.



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 14:34
Another beautiful aircraft is the F-14 Tomcat.

I think it was a formation of 16 that was tracked by a US Awacs flying near the Iraqi border - They were kept airworthy through cannibalisation - the US service crews, upon evacuating Iran, sabotaged the whole F-14 fleet - so this depleted the fleet considerably before even a shot was fired.

The remainder that survived the war were kept flying through further cannibalisation at first - I think Iran must have gotten many spare parts through the black market especially since the US decommissioned its fleet, congress has recently taken drastic steps to halt such sales at US military car-boot-sales.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 06:48
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Misagh-2 SAM:
 
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

These are actually mass produced by Iran.
 
 
 
The missile looks fairly sophisticated:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 06:55
This looks like some kind of coastal defence weapon:
 
 
What is it?
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 07:07
Iranian-made sniper rifles...
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 07:41
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Saegheh (1 seat 2 fins) & Azarakhsh (2 seats 1 fin):
 
Azarakhsh:
 
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

The missile technology for these aircraft is supposedly good. 
 
These (below) are the 3 main armaments of the Saegheh & Azarakhsh aircraft shown above.
 
The 2 grey salvos fire ground-attack rockets.
The blue missiles with white tips are medium-range air-to-air.
The small missiles with red tips are short-range air-to-air.
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:38
Iranian tank factory...
 
 
 
In above photo the small metal spikes on the turrets are for attaching ERA modules.
In below photo ERA is visible.
 
 
Iranian Chieftan-based tanks:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:49
Recoilless gun:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:54
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

More BH7.
 
 
 
 
Below is a weaponized version of the BH7.
Looks like it's been fitted with 4 missile tubes.  Interesting...
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:57
Heavy transports...
 
Looks Russian:
 
C-130:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 09:03
Here's an old photo...hehe...
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 09:22
Alvand class patrol vessels.
 
Designations:
DE-71 Alvand
DE-72 Alborz
DE-73 Sabalan
DE-74 Sahand
 
Armaments:
4 missile launchers.
1 Mk 8 114 mm cannon.
1 twin 20 mm gun.
3 mortar launchers (81 mm).
2 torpedo tubes.
2 machine-guns.
 
Basically, these are Vosper Mk 5 types.
 
DE-71 Alvand:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 13:55
Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

Good thread going here Hellios - with fabulous photos as well.

The Iranian built Saeqeh, which means thunderbolt in Persian.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixh-QYeDdYw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixh-QYeDdYw

 
 
Thanks for the video!
 


Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 14:18
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

This looks like some kind of coastal defence weapon:
 
 
What is it?
 
 
 
The size and fin configuration make it look alot like a silkworm. That would be my guess.


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 15:02
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

How exactly are they keeping the F-14's flying?
 
American companies have been selling F-14 parts to Iran for decades (until recently) so Iran has probably been stocking up enough to last years, or maybe the parts can be reverse engineered, don't know...
 
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

I've read analysts say Iran probably can only get 7 in the air yet a few years ago American E-3's spotted 14 flying around.
 
Do you know how many do they have total?
 
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

I imagine they can fit the Moskit SS-N-22 Sunburn's (they probably have them though its not confirmed) on them which is the most lethal anti ship missile in the world today. Even the U.S. navy has no defense for it.
 
The F-14 also fits some serious long-range air-to-air & air-to-ground missiles & the aircraft is capable of huge bursts of speed to get into range, launch, retreat.
 


Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 15:27
If you mean the last Tomcat I would say Aim 54 Phoenix missile. Probably modified or upgraded by the IRIAF. It was one of the reasons the F-14 remained in service in the USN for so long as its quite a large missile. I've seen videos of the IRIAF firing MIM 23 hawks from F-14 as well but it looks more like a Phoenix.

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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 08:48
Such a beautiful plane:
 
 
 
 


Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 12:26
Would these planes have a chance against lets say a F-15C Strike Eagle or is even that too advanced for them?

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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 12:43
Damn, F-14s are my favorite fighters, too bad Iran has 'em. Anyways, F-14s, at least the US ones, were able to engage 6 targets up to 90 miles away, but I doubt the Iranian versions are as up to date as the US ones. 

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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 18:57
Adalwolf, the types of F-14a sold to Iran were more advanced than those int he US inventory. The Iranian planes can also engage 6 targets and also the missiles (Phoenix) outrange anything in the present US air to air inventory.

Vulkan, do you mean in a dog-fight? I am not sure, but like I said, the F-14 will be able to fire from a farther range and also they are very agile planes. 
 


Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 19:53
What?! Who the hell sold them more advanced F-14s?!? Tha't smacks of treason! 

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Posted By: Laelius
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 22:45
damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.


Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 23:32
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Adalwolf, the types of F-14a sold to Iran were more advanced than those int he US inventory. The Iranian planes can also engage 6 targets and also the missiles (Phoenix) outrange anything in the present US air to air inventory.

Vulkan, do you mean in a dog-fight? I am not sure, but like I said, the F-14 will be able to fire from a farther range and also they are very agile planes. 
 


Yes Zagros I checked it out and it turns out that F-14 is classified as a Fourth Generation fighter aircraft along with original F-15, F-16 and F-18. However these aircraft have been upgraded many times since then while the F-14 is only in service with Iranian armed forces being discontinued here in the US and replaced by the variants of F-18.
I guess increased range might help it a little against these planes and might even against their derivatives but I don't think it would stand a chance with newer planes like the Eurofighter, let alone the F-22 raptor.


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 05:15
Originally posted by vulkan02 vulkan02 wrote:

Yes Zagros I checked it out and it turns out that F-14 is classified as a Fourth Generation fighter aircraft along with original F-15, F-16 and F-18. However these aircraft have been upgraded many times since then while the F-14 is only in service with Iranian armed forces being discontinued here in the US and replaced by the variants of F-18.
I guess increased range might help it a little against these planes and might even against their derivatives but I don't think it would stand a chance with newer planes like the Eurofighter, let alone the F-22 raptor.
I was of the opion the later model F15 should be able to take one out. The F14 is a very good dog fighter, but its old 4th gen and im not to sure about the phoenix missiles effectiveness in this scenario apart from range.

"The AIM-54 was primarily designed for long-range fleet defense against incoming bomber streams, a threat which has dimished nowadays. Although it can theoretically also be used against low-flying high-speed anti-ship missiles, there are more effective weapons for this role" http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-54.html -


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 09:02
Zagros,
 
I didn't know that Iran has Flankers...
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 11:40
Vulkan, last I heard the engines and radar on the F-14s were being upgraded with new Russian technology (phased array radar?), this was in 2005, so I don't know!
 


Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 11:52
Originally posted by Laelius Laelius wrote:

damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.


I know we sold them to the Shah, but that was in the 70s or something, and to my knowledge we didn't send them any upgrades are spare parts, so I thought the Iranian F-14s basically just sat in their hangers!


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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 12:53
Originally posted by Adalwolf Adalwolf wrote:

Originally posted by Laelius Laelius wrote:

damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.


I know we sold them to the Shah, but that was in the 70s or something, and to my knowledge we didn't send them any upgrades are spare parts, so I thought the Iranian F-14s basically just sat in their hangers!


Yes US stopped all sales after that of parts and everything. Iranians, like Zagros said, upgraded the radar and modified the plans so it fires RD russian missiles instead of US' AIM. Who knows they might have even changed the tracking system to that of the MIG-29 and made the plane more effective.

The F-14 might be just as good as the latest of planes when your talking about ranged and weapon capability. Im really doubtful though, that its speed and agility can match that of the latest fighters.


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Posted By: Xshayathiya
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 13:15
Originally posted by Laelius Laelius wrote:

damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.
 
80 of them to be exact. I'm assuming they canabalized some to fix others. Does anyone know how many are functional today? (unless it's already mentioned earlier in the thread Embarrassed)


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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 13:17
Airborne tanker:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 13:20
Azarakhsh: 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 13:30
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

 
 
Panha-2091:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 13:43
Originally posted by Cryptic Cryptic wrote:

The F-4 Phantom has got to be one of the best designed weapons in modern history.
Multi roled aircraft (n) -  See F-4 Phantom!!
 
Cryptic, Iranian F-4 Phantoms:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 14:11
Navy helicopter:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 14:22
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Looks Russian:
 
 
Are these Antonovs?
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 14:28
C-130:
 
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 14:55
I have no idea, is that the only engine it has? Or is that just the angle?

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 14:55
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Iran-140:
 
 
Iran-140:
 
 
I read Iran makes AWACS aircraft based on their Iran-140 but I haven't seen any photos of real ones yet.
A company called HESA claims to be doing it.
 
 
More info here:
http://www.hesaco.com/ - http://www.hesaco.com/
http://www.hesaco.com/iran140/utility.htm - http://www.hesaco.com/iran140/utility.htm  (scroll down)
 
Source: http://www.hesaco.com/iran140/utility.htm - http://www.hesaco.com/iran140/utility.htm
 
Source: http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_219.shtml - http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_219.shtml
 
I'll look for photos of real Iranian AWACS (if there are any) & post them.


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 18:57
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

I have no idea, is that the only engine it has? Or is that just the angle?
 
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 09-Feb-2007 at 21:00
I have seen one of those behemoths... When I flew from Tehran to the hallowed soil of Kermanshah, one of those beasts with Russian markings was parked about 200m away. Thos eplanes are a lot bigger in real life than what they look in those pics.

Those G-3s, they are not suitable for Iran, give me an AK anyday! I have heard vets speak of how they used to jam if they weren't cleaned more than regularly.



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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 10-Feb-2007 at 19:04
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Alvand class patrol vessels.
 
Designations:
DE-71 Alvand
DE-72 Alborz
DE-73 Sabalan
DE-74 Sahand
 
Armaments:
4 missile launchers.
1 Mk 8 114 mm cannon.
1 twin 20 mm gun.
3 mortar launchers (81 mm).
2 torpedo tubes.
2 machine-guns.
 
Basically, these are Vosper Mk 5 types.
 
DE-71 Alvand:
 
 
Below is another Alvand class patrol vessel (on the left).
The bigger ship (421) looks like a support vessel.
 
DE-73 Sabalan (left):
 
DE-71 Alvand (right) with 2 Kilo class subs + 1 B7H landing hovercraft:


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 15:48
Iranian navy commandos:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 16:23
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

I didn't notice (before) that this patrol boat has a rear gun also, close to the missiles.
 
 
 
The front gun is a Russian AK-630.
The AK-630 "ship artillery system" can defend against air & surface threats.
 
 
 
Same gun on Russian exports like this Zubr:
 
 
The missiles (on the Iranian patrol boat below) are probably Kowsars.
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 17:04
How is it operated? looks very cool.

Those frogmen were used very effectively in the Ira-Iraq war preparing the spear heads for multi-dimensional assaults on the Iraqi side post 1982.

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Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 17:23
The missile boats are probably carrying C-802 missiles. Originally from China though I've read that Iran can make their own version of it. The Kowsar I dont believe has sea launching abilities as of yet at least.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 23:41
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

How is it operated?
 
It's controlled by an electronic targeting system that works with (separate) fire-control & optical (or radar) tracking modules.  This makes it able to hit incoming missiles, aircraft, naval units, plus direct and/or indirect shelling of coastal targets.  I'm surprised to see this gun an a small patrol boat because it's usually seen on bigger & more valuable units.
 
The gun's console:
 
 
The gun's inner workings:
 
 
 
You read Russian? Smile
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2007 at 12:14
Nice. What's the hit rate on missiles?

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2007 at 17:59
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

What's the hit rate on missiles?
 
I don't have those stats on the AK-630 gun, sorry.
For missile defence, some Russians claim it's as effective as the Phalanx gun, but I doubt it. Smile
For use against surface threats, it's much better than the Phalanx gun.
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2007 at 18:08
Well, the Phallanx is at least proven in live combat. When the US decided to attack Iran after they hit a sea mine in the Persian Gulf an Iranian warship fired a harpoon at a US ship which was taken out by the phallanx.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 17:44
These 2 clips are not new, but still interesting...
 
Iranian exercises: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8884648292925739980&q=iran - http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8884648292925739980&q=iran
Iranian military parade: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1654877515839805851 - http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1654877515839805851
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 23:59
As usual i'll post mainly on the missiles.

Generally, the designations can be a bit confused, as the same names get used on different systems. We can tell roughly what these missiles capabilities are, by looking up the Chinese original but it would be impossible to know what the Iranians have enhanced or changed or verify what the Chinese stated/reported capabilities.

Kowsar (C_801) YJ-8

The Medium fange 'Kowsar' anti ship missile which is and Iranian version/copy/import ??? of the chinese C-801 (YJ-8) which gets compared to a exocet.

"Iran tested the Kowsar "medium-range missile," which the Iranians said is impervious to electronic jamming. The Kowsar bears a strong resemblance to the Chinese-designed C-801 anti-ship missile, which is itself similar to the French Exocet missile. It is unclear what anti-jamming capabilities the Iranians were referring to; perhaps they have developed a version of the C-801 that uses passive guidance to track its target." http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=264484 - Source


More about the C-801 from sino defense

"The YJ-8 features a slim cylinder body with round nose, trapezoid wings and stubby fins near the end of the body. The nose section consists of a mono-pulse, high-frequency (possibly J-band) terminal guidance radar seeker with a 165kg semi-armour-piercing warhead behind it. The instrument compartment containing the guidance command processor, vertical gyro, radio altimeter and its antenna, is located in front of the rocket motor. The terminal guidance radar with mono-pulse system possesses high anti-jamming capabilities. The high precision radio altimeter allows the missile to have minimum-altitude flight above the sea. It uses a semi-armour-piercing anti-personnel blast warhead which relies on the missile's kinetic energy to pierce the deck of a ship, penetrate into and explode in the ship's interior. During final design flight tests, one missile sank a target ship of 10,000t displacement" http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj8.asp - Sino Defence

Noor (C-802) YJ-82

The 'Noor' missile which is longer ranged and based of the chinese C-802 (YJ-82) , this is very similar to the US harpoon

YJ-82 (C-802)

The YJ-82 (C-802) was derived from the YJ-8 with extended range. The YJ-82 is externally similar to the YJ-8, and has the same solid-propellant rocket booster and guidance system. The most distinctive difference on the YJ-82 is that it employs a turbojet with paraffin-based fuel to replace the original solid rocket engine. This caused the fuselage to be extended to accommodate the extra fuel. The max range of the missile has also been extended to 120km, comparing to 40km range of YJ-8 and 80km range of YJ-81.

The YJ-82 has only developed shore-to-ship variant launched from land-based vehicles. The missile received no order from the PLA. Following the 1991 Gulf War, Iran purchased about 60 land-launched C-802 missiles, which were deployed in coastal batteries on Qeshm Island." http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj8.asp - Sino Defence


Chinese stated capabilities, Iran's should be close to this.

SPECIFICATIONS

Length: (YJ-8) 5.814m; (YJ-82) 6.392m
Diameter: 0.36m
Wingspan: (YJ-8) 1.18m; (YJ-82) 1.22m
Launch weight: 815kg
Warhead: 165 kg time-delayed semi-armour-piercing high-explosive
Propulsion: (YJ-8) One solid rocket engine, one solid booster; (YJ-82) One turbojet engine, one solid booster
Max speed: Mach 0.9
Max range: (YJ-8) 42km; (YJ-81) 80km; (YJ-82) 120km; YJ-83 (150~200km)
Flight Altitude: 20~30m (flight); 5~7m (attacking)
Guidance Mode: Inertial and terminal active radar
Single-Shot Hit Probability: 75%


Further enhancments?

"In early 2000 it was reported that North Korea and Iran were jointly developing an advanced version of the C-802 cruise missile. These missiles initially acquired by Iran were not equipped with advanced systems, and the missiles acquired by Iran were rather outdated. Iran turned to North Korea for missile system technology, and the two countries are jointly developing an upgraded version with improved accuracy. ["N. Korea, Iran Jointly Develop Missile: Report" Korea Times February 17, 2000]"
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/c-802.htm - Source


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 17-Feb-2007 at 17:56
The kowsar/c801 that hit the Israeli gunboat off lebanon was impervious to its electronic defenses according to sources at the time.

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 03:33
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

The kowsar/c801 that hit the Israeli gunboat off lebanon was impervious to its electronic defenses according to sources at the time.
well, the isreali's claim they didn't switch on all of their defenses, if true it hasn't been tested yet. the second missile missed and hit another boat.




Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 06:32
That is obviously BS, they were on combat operations and protocol will surely require it or they are highly incompetent. "switched on" lol, aren't the radars and defenses always on anyway?

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 07:17
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

That is obviously BS, they were on combat operations and protocol will surely require it or they are highly incompetent. "switched on" lol, aren't the radars and defenses always on anyway?
  As far as they were concerned they weren't faced with a naval (or any other) anti-ship threat. Best practice, even during war games  would have all defenses on, but its not automatic and open to human error.

I know this is an Israeli assessment but, very plausible. Electronic countermeasures and the barak missiles  were on two minute standby mode.

Quote
In addition to Colonel K., a lieutenant colonel in naval intelligence sent a letter to the chief of naval intelligence following deliberations on July 14 July, and in this letter, he expressed similar warnings regarding the missile threat. But the officer noted in the letter that his warnings, which were not heeded, were based on intuition rather than information.

The investigation has also revealed serious problems on the ship itself, particularly the fact that three of its four defense systems were not functioning. The ship's captain was not aware that the defense systems were down.

An electronics officer with the rank of captain had placed both the electronic countermeasures system and the Barak anti-missile system on two-minute standby mode, arguing that he wanted to avoid their "fatigue," as he knew that the Spear was on a mission of long duration. The same officer had identified a problem with the ship's radar, which was functioning at only 50 percent capacity.

In both cases, he failed to inform the ship's captain of the problems"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/785086.html - -


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 15:45
The gunboat that got hit was what type?
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 17:56
ha-ha-ha-haaretz... 2 minute standby, right and what would it be on standby for? in case they detected an incoming? 2 minutes? LOL! I never believe any excuse when it comes to an atrocity or military humiliation commited by or inflicted on any military, least of all the IDF.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 18:59
Their "2 minute outage" story is funny, but I believe the part about the Barak system having some problems.
 
Barak: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/barak/Barak.html - http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/barak/Barak.html
 
This (RAM) is a better system (for missile defence): http://www.raytheon.com/products/ram/ - http://www.raytheon.com/products/ram/
RAM launcher: http://www.europaeische-sicherheit.de/alt/ausgaben/11november2002/1102,umschau,01.jpg - http://www.europaeische-sicherheit.de/alt/ausgaben/11november2002/1102,umschau,01.jpg


Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 19:54
The RAM is not battle proven though. There's many doubts it will be able to get a firing solution quick enough to fend of some of these lightning fast low flying anti ship missiles. I'm thinking the only way to defend against missiles in the future will probably be direct energy weapons. Like THUL or versions like it if its still being developed that is.

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 03:55
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

The gunboat that got hit was what type?
 
its a bit of topic. This wasn't a gun boat or FAC, but a very powerful corvette, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_5_class_missile_boat - SA'AR-5

some more links
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/saar5/
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar5/Saar5.html



Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 08:04
The Hy-1 and HY-2 anti ship missiles.

these are older than the ones posted earlier, nevertheless they are big and powerful if they make it through the defenses, but more importantly these a effective against oil tankers.

HY-1 ( CSS-N-1/CSS-C-2 Silkworm)

This is a development of the SY-1 which itself is a Chinese reversed engineered Russian Styx (P-15) missile. Iran may have received these obsolete missiles in the early1980's but i cant find any hard numbers.* It was the HY-2 that seems to be the more important missile in term of real numbers.

The HY-1 is the silkworm missile, while related missiles including the SY-1 and HY-2   also get called this in western sources (and even completely different ones like the C-802 in my last post), they actually have their own designations. I must also note; there seems to be a bit nore confusion between the HY-1 and 2 in particular. In some cases they get grouped up purposely and treated as one.

* Iran has been reported to have them in stock in some sources.

"While the SY-1 is a rather direct copy of the P-15 missile, the HY-1 features some improvements including a lengthened fuel tank for extended range and modified autopilot for better accuracy. The missile is 760mm longer than the SY-1 and its range has increased from 40km to 70km.

VARIANTS

Variants
Description
HY-1 Basic variant land-to-ship missile developed from the Soviet P-15 (SS-N-2 Styx)
HY-1J Ship-to-ship variant for Type 051 DDG
HY-1JA Improved ship-to-ship variant with a new radar seeker for better anti-jamming capability and accuracy
HY-1A Land-to-ship variant based on the HY-1JA
HY-1B Target drone for the test of HQ-2A SAM
HJ-1YB Target drone for the test of HQ-61 SAM

MISSILE

The HY-1 is almost identical to the SY-1/SS-N-2 in appearance apart from the slightly longer missile body. The missile features a round nose accommodating the radar seeker, a pair of mid-mounted delta wings on the middle section of missile body, and three tail control surfaces. The missile is powered by a liquid-fuel rocket motor, with a solid rocket booster attached under the missile fuselage. The missile requires fairly complex maintenance due to its use of liquid rocket. The missiles large warhead can sink or severely damage a 3,000t-class destroyer.

SPECIFICATIONS

Dimensions: Length: 6.60m; Diameter: 0.76m; Wingspan: 2.4m
Launch weight: 2,300kg
Warhead: 513kg shape charged high-explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Max speed: Mach 0.8
Max range: 70km
Flight altitude: 100~300m (early models); <20m (later models)
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (early models); or inertial + monopulse active radar (later models)
Single-hit probability: 70%"

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/hy1.asp - Sinodefence
 
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/hy1.asp">
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/hy1.asp -  
Diagram from http://www.kimsoft.com/2002/westsea2b.htm - www.kimsoft.com

HY-2 (CSS-C-3 Seersucker) or C-201

"The missile was based on the HY-1 anti-ship missile with extended range and improved accuracy. Only land-based variant has been developed due to its large size. As well as serving with the PLA Navy Coastal Defence Force, the missile was exported to the Middle East in significant numbers in the 1980s."


Variants
Description
HY-2 Also known as C-201 in its export name. Basic variant radar-guidance land-to-ship missile developed from the HY-1 missile
HY-2A IR-guidance variant
HY-2AII Improved variant of the HY-2A (a more sensitive IR seeker and a higher precision radio altimeter and new auto-pilot to lower the level flight altitude)
HY-2B Improved radar-guidance variant with a mono-pulse radar seeker replacing the original conical scanning radar
HY-2BII Improved variant of the HY-2B with a newly designed radar seeker
C-201W Extended-range variant powered by a turbojet engine replacing the original liquid-fuel rocket motor. Export only
 
Iranian launched Seersucker

The HY-2 is identical to the HY-1 but with a further stretched body. The missile features a round nose accommodating the radar seeker, a pair of mid-mounted delta wings on the middle section of missile body, and three tail control surfaces. The missile is powered by a liquid-fuel rocket motor, with a solid rocket booster attached under the missile fuselage.

The HY-2 is launched from land-based launcher and flies at an altitude of 1,000m during the initial stage of the flight. After the missile switched to the cruising mode, the flight altitude was reduced to 100~300m. During the final stage of the flight, the missile switched on its radar seeker and dives to an altitude of 8m until it hits the target.

Dimensions: Length: 7.48m; Diameter: 0.76m; Wingspan: 2.4m
Launch weight: 2,998kg
Warhead: 513kg shape charged high-explosive
Propulsion: One liquid rocket engine and one solid rocket booster
Max speed: Mach 0.8
Max range: 95~100km
Flight altitude: 100~300m (early models); <20m (later models)
Guidance: Inertial + active conical scanning terminal guidance radar (HY-2); or inertial + IR guidance (HY-2A); or inertial + monopulse active radar (HY-2B)
Single-shot hit probability: 90%

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/hy2.asp - Sinodefence

Range of these missiles (HY-2) in the Persian gulf.

found this on a right wing http://eaglespeak.blogspot.com/2006/02/iran-silkworm-on-hormuz.html - blog .

what has numbers in Iran?

In early 1988 Iran claimed the capacity to manufacture HY-2s and other antiship cruise missiles indigenously. It is currently estimated that Iran has about 100 HY-2 missiles on eight to ten mobile missile launchers deployed on the north side of the Straits of Hormuz. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/c-201.htm - Source

Number deployed about 310 HY-2 ship-launcher, 50 coastal defense installations. http://missile.index.ne.jp/cgi/misearch.cgi - source

Deliveries look like the 300+ number might be more right as well as deployments on other island wiith the gulf. ( http://www.thenti.com/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/2420.html - Source )

..and bit more on the Iran's HY-X alleged capability.

"Bandar Abbas hosts a missile site overseen by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy Command. The Chinese built this facility in 1987. The facility assembles and extends the range of Silkworm missiles, modifies Seersucker missiles, and manufactures rockets. The Chinese may be assisting the IRGC in extending the range to 400km. Bandar Abbas also is believed to host a launch site with three to six launchers for the land-based Silkworm." http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/3876_4099.html - Link


Posted By: Brian J Checco
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2007 at 00:21
This is all well and good discussion (and something I am highly unqualified to speak on)... but can the Iranian military stand a chance against a western power like Britain, Canada or the United States?


Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2007 at 02:12
I personaly think Iran can defend itself against Britain or Canada but, I doubt against the US. At first, Iran maybe make some trouble for US but US will be the winner at the end.( Becuase of its superior military) 

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2007 at 03:54
in a purely conventional war no one can overcome the USA at this point in time. The USA can bomb any part of the world it wants, but it cant invade any part of the world, Iran is one of those parts. So its a stale mate in terms of total war.

Iran's strength isn't in these weapons, but its tactics and people. It fought the Iraqi's to a stand still, at a time when Iraq were very strong and Iran was quite weak.



Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2007 at 09:58
Not quite weak... The only thing that faced saddam when he invaded was a depleted chieftain battalion.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 00:17
Great post Leonidas. Thumbs%20Up
 
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

How is it (AK-630 gun) operated? looks very cool.
 
Zagros, this quick Russian video (below) shows the AK-630 gun in action.
 
The video was made a few years ago as part of Moscow's sales pitch to sell the Zubr.
When it lands on the beach the AK-630 guns are shown lighting up the coast for a few seconds.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cuB2B2rSo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cuB2B2rSo
 
Edit: The AK-630 guns are also shown shooting down missiles & aircraft in that video.


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 00:51
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

This wasn't a gun boat or FAC, but a very powerful corvette, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_5_class_missile_boat - SA'AR-5  
 
Leonidas,
 
Saar-4.5 was developed by Israel & Greece but Hellas uses it for Coast Guard only.  Saar-5.0 is the continuation.
Source: http://www.hellenic-shipyards.gr/pg/naval5.htm - http://www.hellenic-shipyards.gr/pg/naval5.htm
 
Hellenic Saar-4.5 (coast guard):
 
Israeli Saar-4.5:
 
On Saar-5 (below) there's a heli pad instead of a rear gun, the sides of the boat are walled (up to the bridge level) & many other new features like the missile system, 2nd mast, etc.
 
Israeli Saar-5:


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 03:46
^ didnt know of that connection between the ships.




Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 09:27
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Fajr rapid-fire cannon:
 
 
More images of the Fajr rapid-fire cannon:
 
 


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 22:08
I want to know what is so special about that cannon vis-a-vis others int he same class. 
 
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Iran apparently test fired a rocket into orbit this week.


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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 03:25
I'll try to get that info for you, Zagros.
 



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